THE PRESIDENT: Wouldn't it be best, if you want to reply to his affidavit, that you should direct the defendant's attention to the part which has been read; then he can make an answer to that?
DR. SAUTER: Mr. President, in Ziemer's affidavit, which the defendant is regarding as an attempt to make bad blood, the old slogans are mentioned which are supposed to be known by the defendant; and the "slogan" means the "parole" of the slogan which was to be decided for the work of the following year.
THE PRESIDENT: One passage of this document has been put in. If you want to put in the rest, you are entitled to do so. But I should have thought that it would have been the best way for you to answer the passage which has been put in. The rest of the affidavit is not in evidence.
DR. SAUTER: Mr. President, in that case, my client would got the worst end of the bargain, because in other passages which have not been used by the prosecution -
THE PRESIDENT: (Interposing) I said you could use the other passages if you want to.
DR. SAUTER: Simply because then I can prove that Mr. Ziemer's statements are not correct, that is why I have just been trying to clarify the question of annual slogans and discuss it with the defendant,which is only one example.
THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Sauter, the defendent is apparently saying that the affidavit is unreliable because of the slogans which are referred to in it. Is that not sufficient for your purpose?
DR. SAUTER: Yes; but I on trying to submit evidence to you of the fact that Mr. Ziemer's statements are untrue. The defendant, you see, maintains that the statements contained in that affidavit are not true, and I am trying to prove to you that, in fact, Mr. Ziermers is telling untruths.
THE PRESIDENT: Surely, Dr. Sauter, there being one passage in this affidavit which is in evidence, you can deal with the question of the credit of of the person who made the affidavit very shortly. BY DR. SAUTER:
Q. Witness, this Mr. Ziemer is his affidavit is making statements regarding the annual slogans which you had issued to the Hitler Youth. How these annual slogans were worded can be easily seen by the Tribunal from Ziemer's affidavit; and I am now asking you to tell us how the annucal slogans of the Hitler Youth were worded during your time; that is, 1933 to 1940.
A. Mr. Ziemer mentions the slogans on Page 16 of the English document. Mr. Ziemer says that in 1933 the slogan for the German Youth had been "One Reich, One Nation, One Fuehrer." He means probably "One People, One Reich, One Fuehrer".
Actually, the year of 1933 was the year of "Unity".
Q. What do you mean by "Unity".
A. The year in which German Youth was being formed into one unit.
Q. Witness, I want to skip a few years right here and come to the year of 1938. What was your slogan for the Hitler Youth in 1938?
A. The year of 1938 was the year of "Understanding". Mr. Ziemer says the slogan had been, "Every Year, Every Youth, One Pilot".
Q. And then in 1939, what was your slogan?
A. That was the year of the "Duty Towards Health". According to Mr. Ziemer, it was "Hitler Youth Marches".
Q. And finally, 1940? That was your last year.
A. It was the year of "Improving Ourselves". And he says, "we are Marchinggagainst England".
But I want to add that the first slogan, "One People, One Reich, One Fuehrer", which Ziemer says was the annual slogan in 1933 for German Youth, arose first in 1938 when Hitler went into Austria. Before, that slogan did not exist at all. It has never been the annual slogan of German Youth.
Q. Witness, we must comply with the wish of the Tribunal and not go into the affidavit of Ziemer any more, with the exception of the one point which has been used by the prosecution and which has been made the subject of an accusation raised against you in connection with the accusation of antiSemitism against you. I shall skip Mr. Ziemer's further statement, and I come to this speech at Heidelberg. Will you tell me, sir, first of all for reasons of connection, what Ziemer said, and then define your attitude?
A. Ziemer said that during a meeting of the Jugend in Heidelberg, I think in 1938, either the end of 1933 or the beginning of 1939, I had made a speech against the Jews, which I made during a rally of the National Socialist Student Union. He says that on that occasion I praised students for the destruction of the Heidelberg Synagogue, and that following that I had the students file past me, and gave them decorations and certificates of promotion. me before. By the request of the Deputy Fuehrer, Rudolf Hess, in 1934, I handed the leadership of the student movement over to him. He then appointed a Reich student leader; and after that time, I did not speak before any student meetings. and there I spoke to youth. This was one or one and a half years before Ziemer's date. And on one occasion I visited the university at Heidelberg.
Q. All of this is irrelevant.
A. I have no recollection of any meeting of students of this type, and I have no recollection of ever having publicly stated my views about the Jewish pogrom in 1938.
I shall now translate what Ziemers said in English. He says: "The day will come when the students of Heidelberg will take up their place side by side with the millions of other students to capture the world for the ideology of Nazism." small circles. These are not my words, and I haven't spoken them. Decorations or certificates for students could not be given by me at all, because decorations for studying did not exist. All decorations were issued by the head of the State. think I decorated 230 people with it altogether. It only went to people with the greatest merit for education. me whether this is correct, that the speech, at the end of 1938, before the students at Heidelberg, during which the speaker had pointed at the wreckage of a synagogue -- that speech was not made by you because at that time,for years, you had not had anything to do with students' movements. Is that correct?
A I had nothing to do with students' movements, and I do not remember having spoken before such a meeting. I consider it quite out of the question that such an affair took place at all, and I haven't said so?
Q Have you got the document before you?
A Yes. I can't find that particular passage at the moment. it mentions the small, fat , student leader. Have you got that passage? Doesn't it say so?
Q Well then, surely "small, fat, student leader" can't be applied to you.
DR. SAUTER: May I, Mr. President, in this connection, draw your attentio n to an affidavit which appears in Schirach's document book under the number 3, and which I am herewith presenting to the Tribunal. It is an affidavit of a certain Hoepken, who, beginning with the 1st of May, 1938, was the secretary of the defendant von Schirach, and who, in this affidavit, under the figure 16 -- which is page 22 of the document book -- mentions exact details.
He states, under oath, that during that time with which we are here concerned the defendant was not at Heidelberg at all.
I don't suppose it is necessary for me to read that part of the affidavit. I an asking the Tribunal to take judicial notice of it.
THE PRESIDENT: I think this would be a good time to break off.
(A recess was taken) BY DR. SAUTER: fact that you did not consider officers desirable as youth leaders. I would like to know how many members of the Leadership Corps of the Hitler Youth, in 1939 at the outbreak of the war, were reserve officers in the armed forces? leaders. Those were leaders of the Banne, leaders of the districts, Gebiete, and the assistants and their staffs. Of these 3,100 leaders of youth, five to ten were reserve officers. or in the Leadership Corps? leaders.
Q Why not? Was there a regulation against that?
A Yes. An officer was not permitted to be a member of the Party or any one of its parts or affiliated organizations. and sports programs in the Hitler Youth? Sports Leader in the Olympic year. He cooperated very closely with me and subordinated himself to me, voluntarily, in December or November 1936. He held, under me, the responsibility for the entire physical education of boys and girls.
Q This Mr. von Schammer Osten, who was very well known in the international sports world, was he an officer by profession? officer. Then he left the army and was an agronomist by profession. Later on he concerned himself only with questions of physical education and sport. One of his brothers was an active officer.
Q. Did von Schammer-Osten become an officer during the Second World War?
A. No.
Q. Then do you remember a document which has been submitted here by the Soviet prosecution that was the report from Lemberg -- I believe it was from Lemberg -- in which it is stated that the Hitler Youth or the Reich youth leadership had courses for adolescents from Poland and had arranged such course in order to use these adolescents later as agents and spies and parachutists, and trained them for that purpose? You have stated today that you take the complete responsibility for the leadership of the Hitler Youth; therefore, I ask you to tell us something about that.
A. We had absolutely no prerequisites for espionage training in our youth organization. Whether Heydrich on his part, and without my knowledge and without the knowledge of my assistants, had hired youthful agents and used them in his information service, that is beyond my knowledge. I myself did not conduct any espionage training; I had no courses for agents, and parachutist training I could not carry out simply because I had no air force. A training of that kind could only have takne place through the Air Force.
Q. Then you, as Reich Youth Loader, or, as it was called later, as Reich Leader for Youth Education, never have known anything about these things, before this trial? Can you state that under oath?
A. That I can state upon my oath, and I should like to add that shortly before the war adolescent refugees from Poland came in large numbers to us, but they of course did not return to Poland. The persecution of the Germans in Poland is a historical fact.
Q. Witness, the prosecution has assorted that in the Hitler Youth a song was sung, "Heute Gehoert Uns Deutschland", Und Morgen Die Ganze Welt; Today Germany belongs to us, Tomorrow the whole world; that is the text that allegedly that song had, and that is supposed to have expressed the will for conquest of the Hitler Youth; is that correct?
A. The song says, in the original text, which was written by Hans Baumann and is also included in one document here: "Heute Gehoert Uns Deutschland", Germany hears us, not belongs to us; and tomorrow the whole world. But it has come to my knowledge also that the song, from time to time, was sung in that form which has been mentioned here, and for that reason I issued a prohibition against singing the song in a different way from the original.
I also prohibited, years ago, that the song should be sung in the German Hitler Youth, "we will Beat France"(???)
Q. You prohibited that text?
A. Yes.
Q. Out of consideration for your French guests?
A. Not out of consideration for my French guests but because it was contract to my political conceptions.
Q. Of the first song mentioned, I submit the correct text which I got from a song book. It is No. 95 of Document Book Schirach. In connection with the question of whether the Hitler Youth leadership conducted and intended a premilitary training of youth, I should like to put the following question: Did the physical and sport training of youth apply only to the boys?
A. No. Of course the entire youth received physical training.
Q. Also the girls?
A. Yes.
Q. Is it correct that your attempts of physical training and physical education of youth also applied to blind youth and others who from the very outset could not be used for military purposes?
A. Very early in our work I included the blind and deaf and the cripples in the Hitler Yout. I had a periodical issued for the blind and books. I believe that Hitler Youth was the only organization in Germany which took care of these people, in addition to the organizations of the NSV and so on, National Socialist welfare organizations.
DR. SAUTER: I ask, in connection with that, that you take notice of Document 27 of document Book Schirach. That is a long article entitled "Coordination of --" where the deaf and blind are especially mentioned, that they should be trained to become fully capable of occupation.
MR. DODD: I have refrained all day from making any objection, but I think this examination has gone very far afield. We have made no charge against this Defendant with respect to the blind, the deaf, the lame and the halt.
He keeps going back to the Boy Scouts and we haven't gotten to any of the relevant issues that are between us and this Defendant. At the present rate I fear we will never get through.
THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Sauter, we have listened to this somewhat long accou* of the training of the Hitler Youth. Don't you think you can go on to something more specific now? We have got a very fair conception, I think, of what the training of the Hitler Youth was and we have got all these documents before us.
DR. SAUTER: I shall try, Mr. President, to proceed according to your wishes as far as it is at all possible. BY DR. SAUTER:
Q. Witness, is it correct that you, personally, intervened with Hitler to prevent training being established in military schools; that is that purely military institutions of training should be reestablished?
A. Yes, that is correct. I prevented the reestablishment of cadet and state military schools and academics.
I come now to a different chapter. Someone has accused the Defendant the he had destroyed the Protestant and Catholic youth organizations. hat can you say as an answer to that?
A. First, the following: I intended, as I have already explained, to bring about the unification of youth as a whole. I also had in mind to bring the Protestant organizations, which are not very large, and the very large Catholic organizations into the Hitler Youth, particularly because some of the organizations did not limit themselves to religious matters but competed with the Hitler Youth concerning physical training, marches, camping and so on. In that I saw a danger for the idea of unity of German national education and ab* all I felt that in the Hitler Youth itself there was a very strong tendency toward the Hitler Youth and away from the confessional organizations; that is fact. And there were also many clergymen who were of the opinion that develop ment should go in about the following direction: All youth into Hitler Youth; the spiritual care of the youth by clergymen; snorts and political work through youth leadership. In 1933 or '34 -- I think it was in 1933 -- the Reichs Bishop Mueller, together with the Protestant Bishop Oberheidt, approached me on their own and proposed to no to incorporate the Protestant youth organizations into the Hitler Youth.
Of course I was very happy about that and accepted it at that time. I had no idea that within the Protestant church there was resistance and opposition to Reichs Bishop Mueller. I found out about that much later. I believed that he was quite capable of speaking and acting in the name of the Evangelical Church and also the other Bishop who accompanied him strengthened that impression.
Even today I still believe that with that act of a voluntary incorporation of the Protestant youth into the State Youth acted according to the will of the majority of the Protestant youth themselves because, at the occasion of my later activity as youth leader, I frequently met former leaders from the Protestant Youth Organization who had leading positions with me and worked in my Youth Organization and enjoyed it greatly. to stress that right away, the spiritual care was not touched; a reduction of church services did not take place in Germany for youth, neither then nor later. Since the Protestant Youth, on the basis of an agreement between the churchand the Hitler South had been incorporated, there was practically only a dispute about youth education between the Catholic Church and the Hitler Yout. negotiations for the Reichs Concordat with the Holy See because I wanted to remove the differences between the Catholic Youth and the Hitler Youth. I considered very important any agreement in that field and, in fact, I participated in these negotiations which took place in June '34, in the Reich Ministry of the Interior under the chairmanship of Reichminster for the Interior Frick. On the Catholic side representatives were Archbishop Broeber and Bishop Berning, and at that time I established a formula and proposed that formula for cooperation, which was accepted agreeably by the Catholic side, and I believed to have found the platform for a pacification in that field. of June, and on the 30th of June, '34, we experienced the so-called "Roehm Putsch" and the negotiations were never resumed. That is not my fault and I certainly have no responsibility for that. Hitler did not want to take the consequences from the Concordat. I, personally, had the desire to bring baout that agreement, and I believe that also the representatives of the church saw from these negotiations, and from later conferences with me, that I did not present the difficulties. I believe Bishop Berning came to me in '39, and we discussed current questions between youth education and the church.
I believe that, also, at that time he took with him the impression that it was not I who wanted to make the difficulties. influence of Martin Bormann, who rejected absolutely any kind of agreement between Party officers and church of between the youth leadership and the church and tried to prevent them. youth organizations or the incorporation it came to animated discussions in public. I made statements about it. According to the current situation, they were more or less temperamental; but statements inimical to religion I have not made in connection with that complex of questions nor at any other time during my life. with the church to the extent that principally the Hitler Youth should not be on duty on Sundays, during the time of going to church, so that the children could go to church; and, furthermore, that on account of this agreement you had considerable difficulties?
Q Will you tell us briefly about that? if I remember correctly. It was on the basis of various letters which I received from clergymen that I a issued a decree which took into account the threats which were expressed in these letters to a very far extent. I issued that decree and I gather from many affidavits which have been sent by youth leaders to me recently that that decree was very carefully obeyed. Chancellory, Bormann, of course, was a vital enemy of such a principal concession to the church and Hitler, himself--and I couldn't say whether it was in connection with that decree, but, at any rate, in connection with the regulation of that dispute between youth leadership and the church-Hitler also corrected me once.
Q Witness, I have a small book here, entitled "A Good Year 1944", and the sub-title is "Christmas Gift of the War Welfare Service of Reich Leader Baldur von Schirach". I submit that book as document No.84 to the Tribunal for official notice. On page 55 is a picture of the Madonna. On page 54 is a Christian poem written by the defendant, with the title "Bavarian Cristmas Crib". On the lower half of that page 54 there is the famous ""essobrunner Prayer", the oldest poem in German language from the Eigth Century.
that book you had difficulties on the part of Reichsleiter Bormann, and what were they? soldiers at the front in 1944. I did not hear anything directly from Bormann; but he asked suddenly for ten copies of that book and I was informed from people who were nearer the Fuehrer in the Fuehrer's headquarters that he used that book in some way in order to influence Hitler against me.
I should like to add that at ail times during my life, as far as I've expressed myself in the same way as I have in this poem, also in the collection of poems. "The Flag of the Persecuted," which I have not here, unfortunately, but which was distributed among the youth in a very large edition. There my revolutionary poems can be found, there are poems of a Christian content which, however, were not reprinted by the party press in the newspapers and, therefore, did not become so well-known as my other Verses. But I should like to empress quite clear ly, I was an opponent of the confessional youth organizations and quite as early as that, I wish to emphasize that I was not an opponent of the Christian religion
Q Not an opponent?
Q Did you ever leave the church?
DR SAUTER: May I, Mr. President, ask the Tribunal to take official notice of the documents 85 to 93, inclusive, of the document book Schiracht. All of thes are documents from the period then he was Reich Youth Leader, which manifest his attitude toward the church.
THE WITNESS: May I add something to that? As far as my religious attitude is concerned, I always tried to apply the expressions which can be found in Wilhelm heister's "Nanderjahrs" about religion and the place of the Christian religion. I should like to say here that in my work as an educator I was, myself mistaken, in so far as I was of the opinion that there exists a positive Christianity outside of the church.
say here for the first time in public that in the closest circles of the Hitler Youth I have always expressed a very clear belief in Christ before educators of the Adolf Hitler School, a fact which the Party Chancellory was never to find out about. I have always spoken about Christ as the greatest leader of the world, and the commandment to "Love thy neighbor" as the universal idea of our culture. I believe that about that also there are several testimonies by youth leaders which you have.
Q Yes, I shall refer to that later. I should like to begin a new chapter now.
Witness, in 1940 you were dismissed as Reich Youth Leader ? cation through what office ?
Q And in addition to that, you received another title, I believe ? Hitler Youth.
Q Was that only a title, or was that an office ? with the youth work in the field of the Party. The Youth Leader of the German R Reich -- that was Axmann as my successor -- had also a field of activity in the state, and I became competent for that by my appointment as inspector. called to Vienna as Gauleiter ? What can you tell us about that ? man, I was in Lyons when as wireless message from the Fuehrer's Headquarters was received, and the chief of my company told me that I had to report to the Fuehrer's headquarters. I went there at once, and at the Fuehrer's headquarters, which was at that time in the Black Forest, I saw the Fuehrer standing in the open and speaking to Reich Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop. I waited a while, maybe twenty minutes, until the conversation had ended and reported then at once to Hitler, and he told me there outside, before the Casino building where we had our meals later all together, he told me in about ten minutes the following:
He intended to give me the mission to take over the Gau Wien, Vienna, and I suggested my assistant, Axmann. He was, perhaps not a man of physical training, but a man who was concerned with the social work among the youth, and that was most important to me.
THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Sauter, we need not go through Axmann's qualification need we ? Is it material to the Tribunal to know what his successor was like ?
DR. SAUTER: Axmann ? Axmann was successor as Reich Youth leader.
THE PRESIDENT: What I was asking you was whether it was material for the Tribunal to know the qualities of Axmann. We have nothing to do with that.
DR. SAUTER: No, I hardly believe so. BY DR. SAUTER:
Q Mr. von Schirach, you can be more brief abort that point, can you not Education and that I should assume at the sane time the office of the Inspector of Youth and that I should go to Vienna as a successor to Buerckel. and therefore Hitler told me that I should concentrate on the development of cultural places; that is, theatres, art galleries, libraries and so on, and I should be especially concerned about the workers of the city.
I raised the objection that I could carry out that cultural work only independently of Goebbels, and Hitler promised that this independence would be maintaeined, but he did not keepthat promise later. away from Vienna, that he had told Himmler or Heydrich - I don't remember whom he mentioned there -- or that he would tell them that Vienna had to become a German city, and in that connection even spoke of an evacuation of the Czech population.
That concluded that conversation. I received no other instruc for this office, and the usual dinner took place together. I took my leave then, and went to Berlin to talk to my assistants. formed, the most difficult Gau of the Reich; is that right ? which we had amongst the Gaus.
Q Why ?
A For the following reasons : I found out about the details only after I had received my mission from Hitler. After receiving my mission from Hitler, I found out from other people in Berlin. of enthusiasm over the Anschluss had subsided. Mr. Buerckel, my predecessor, had imported many officials from Germany to Vienna, and the German system of administration, which was not at all more practicable or efficient than the Austrian, was introduced there. There resulted a certain over-organization in the administrative field, and Buerckel had started on a church policy which was more than unsatisfactory. There had been demonstrations under his rule, and on one occasion the palace of the Archbishop was damaged. Theatres and other places of culture were not taken care of they should have been. Vienna had come to a feeling of great disappointment. Before I got there I was informed that if one spoke in the streetcars with a North German dialect, the Viennese took an unfriendly attitude against one.
Q Witness, what duties did you have in Vienna ? two administrations culminated, the municipal administration and the national administration. In addition, I was Reich Defense Commissar for Defense Area 17, but only until 1942. In 1942, the area was subdivided, and each Gauleiter in that area became his own Reich Defense Commissar.
Q And then you also were Gauleiter ?
A Yes, I was also Gauleiter. That was the highest official of the Party.
Q. In other word, in your person, you united what -- state, city and Party, in Vienna ?
A Yes. Now, in the administration, for the state administration, the national administration, the competent person was the Regierungspresident; for the municipal administration, there was another representative, the mayor; in the Party, the Deputy Gauleiter in Vienna had the title of Gauleiter. the Gau by explaining that. I intend to cover the Gauleiter, the Deputy Gauleiter, I had at that time. I just went to say that in order to clarify my position.
Q What really was your position as Reich Defense Commissar, Witness? Was that a military position or what was it?
A That was no military position at all. The Reich Defense Commissar was simply the head of the civil administration, and in contrast to the measures taken during the First World War, where the head of the civil administration was an assistant subordinated to the commanding general, in this war the Reich Defense Commissar was coordinated to him, not subordinate. my tasks - - were that at certain periods of time the most important questions of food economy, transportation - - that is, local and distant transportation coal, supplies, price administration for the Gaus Vienna, Upper Danube and Low Danube, all of which belonged to Defense Area 17, had to be taken care of. kind. In the year 1942, the reorganization which I previously mentioned took place. Bormann succeeded against the Reichsmarshal. The Reichsmarshal was of the opinion that the Reich Defense Commissar had to be defense commissar for the entire defense area, but Bormann wanted each Gauleiter to be defense commi and so the separation took place. From 1942 on, I was only Reich Commissar for Vienna. and will you please tell me when you found out about it. That is, a decree was issued by Reichsleiter Bormann that no more than two Gauleiters could meet.
A That is not a decree from Bormann; that was an order by Hitler.
Q What was the text of that?
A I can explain that briefly. Because of the fact that the Reich Commiss riat was subdivided, I had to meet from time to time with the Reich governors of other provinces in order to discuss the most important questions, especially concerning our food economy. However, I believe in 1943 Dr. Ley came to me in Vienna and brought me an official order from the Fuehrer, according: to which i was considered illegal - - that was the way it was expressed there - - if more than two Gauleiters met for a conference.
At that time I looked at Dr. Ley speechlessly, and he said, "Well, that doesn't really concern you. There is still another Gauleiter who has called a conference of several of them, and that fact alone is already considered as mutiny or conspiracy."
up much of your time? Please tell us briefly about that. to come to the Reichschancellory. evacuation of the entire German youth from areas endangered by aerial attack, and at the same time to carry out the evacuation of the mothers and infants, and he said that that should begin in Berlin and then take place all throughout the Reich. He said that education was of no importance now; the main thing was to maintain the nerve strength of the youth and the life. However, I asked at once that I be given the possibility of establishing an educational organization, and I also did that. important in connection with the prosecution, which I stated at once, was that there should be no difficulty regarding the youngsters' participation in church services. That was promised to me, and in my first directives for the children's evacuation to the country it was expressed very clearly, and the youth leaders in the field of my organization will confirm it.
Q This evacuation of children to the country was a very extensive task, wasn't it? point of view which I have ever carried out. I transferred millions of people; I supplied them with food, with education, with medical all, and so on. Of course that work took up my time fully only during the first years, and then I trained my assistants also for that kind of work. to Hitler about your successors and your doubts. How often during the entire year of the war were you admitted in order to discuss that important field of work w Hitler?
A Counsel, I am afraid I have to correct you. I never tried to report to Hit about my successors, but only about my worries.
to him twice, that first time in 1940, after I had started the whole thing, and the second time in 1941, when the evacuation had reached very large proportions. the possibility of reporting discontinued altogether with the breach of relations which I will describe later. burg Librarian Society.
DR. SAUTER: No. 1 of Document Book Schirach has reference to that matter, and I submit it for judicial notice. It is an affidavit by an old anti-Fascist, Karl Klingsport, an honorary member of the society, who rives valuable information about the character of the defendant von Schirach.
BY DR. SAUTER: Southeast Europe Society, is that correct?
Q In brief, what was the mission of that society? economic relations of the Southeast. Its functions were essentially in the field of research and representation.
Q Witness, what was the center of gravity of your Viennese activities? work, as I have already explained before. Social work and cultural work were the two spheres which dominated my entire political life.
the Prosecution concerning that period in Vienna. Among other things you have been accused of participating in the so-called slave labor program, and I ask you to state your position concerning that, and to explain also Directive No. 1 about the Plenipotentiary for Manpower of the 6th of April 1942, which was presented, I believe, as Document 3352-PS. Maybe I should start with that decree by which Gauleiters were appointed plenipotentiaries for manpower under the general plenipotentiary.