A.- Generally speaking, I only saw inmates working in outside camps, that is to say in cities sometimes and I was just one amongst the inhabitants of Berlin who could see the same thing. In Berlin or Oranienburg, to be sure, I never noticed anything of the kind and I can really state that the pace of work was not particularly fast and that the work was carried in an orderly and normal way.
Q.- Did you observe anything as to how punishments were carried out on the inmates? Did you ever see that an inmate was beaten -- or flogged?
A.- I never saw that. In 1944 -- I didn't even know that there was such a thing as a punishment consisting of flogging. It was absolutely unknown to me then.
Q.- Do you know anything about the fact as to what the privileges were which the inmates could have -- that is to say, radios, libraries, correspondence, they could receive parcels and newspapers, could go to music-halls, cinemas, etc.?
A.- In the concentration camps at Sachsenhausen there was a radio installed which was on all day long, and it transmitted the usual programs as they were broadcast by all the other Reich broadcasting stations I could hear this radio broadcast even out there in my office in the dental station. I can't tell you anything about libraries except for the fact that when I was interned myself in Neuengamme I received books which were stamped "Inmate Library, Inmate Camp of Neuengamme."
As far as movies were concerned or variety shows, I really don't know if there was such a thing in the camps. Games were played particularly when a football or a soccer game was going on it could be heard just as loud as the broadcast. As far as receiving parcels was concerned, I could only tell you that there was such a thing. In Amtsgrupp D, I had the opportunity to speak with one of the inmates there, who was a barber in the concentration camp and he would also cut my hair if I happened to be in the agency there. The barber, first of all, was a Ger man and when he was released a Norvegian took over, I had a series of talks with that man.
I asked him what the food was like in the concentration camp at Sachsenhausen. His answer was that as long as he had been there, he had never used the camp foods because he was receiving so many parcels that he really didn't have to rely on the food of the concentration camp. However, he had heard that the food was good and sufficient. I offered him a cigarette, which he refused, however, by saying that he was certain he had more cigarettes than I did. He pulled a silver cigarette case from his pocked and offered me an American Lucky Strike cigarette which I appreciated ever so much.
Q.- Did you know that an inmate without even being tried or judged and merely on the judgment of a political department could be sent to a concentration camp? Now what were you misgivings?
A.- At that time, I didn't know that a person could be sent to a concentration camp or rather if a person could be sent to a concentration camp after a judgment or an interrogation or something of the kind, a trial or a hearing. I only knew that the concentration camps were a state institution, and at the time I was convinced that they had a legal basis. As a solider, I was not in a position to judge if such an institution was good or bad. At the time, I really didn't volunteer to go to one of those concentration camps but I was transferred, ordered to one of those camps by Office 14.
Q.- Witness, political and criminal inmates were all placed together in one camp. The inmates came from all over the world. They were members of all sorts of nations. Did you ever have any misgivings about that?
A.- As the agency where I was active had no direct contact with inmates, it was lonly in the course of months after I had started working there, that I found out that there were various categories of inmates in the concentration camps. Even during my internment in Neuengamme, we, as people who were placed under arrest, automatically were placed in the same camp due to the reason that they were professional criminals.
At this time in 1944, as a leading dentist, I had no possibility whatsoever to do anything at all for the inmates, to facilitate their position unless I did something within my own field of task -- that is, within the dental field.
Q Witness, we are told that the concentration camps were veiled in secrecy, is that correct?
A Yes, one could really say so because the camps, generally speaking, were far away from human habitation far away from cities and agencies. It was only thus that it was possible to carry out all those crimes which were committed in the concentration camps. If you were an outsider, you never heard anything about it,
THE PRESIDENT: You said that you yourself were interned in Neuengamme?
A Yes, Your Honor.
THE PRESIDENT: How did that happen? Was it after you were captured?
A Yes, indeed. I was captured on the 3rd of May, 1945, by the British, went through several camps, and on the 30th of May, 1945, I came to the former concentration camp of Neuengamme, which is the civilian internment camp used by the British now.
BY DR. RATZ:
Q In your particular case, witness, the main question is if you as a dentist within Office D-III were within that sphere of secrecy or outside of it?
A I believe that that sphere of secrecy is not to be understood in such a way that every person who was working in the camp would know everything about it, much rather, that those crimes which were committed in the camps were restricted, and the knowledge of those crimes were also restricted to a small circle of people. Those people who were ordering those crimes and those who were carrying them out were very much interested in that fact being that way. In Amtgruppe D where I was active and which was quite some way from there, the knowledge of such actions must have been even smaller. Even the witness for the prosecution, Herr Eugen Kogon, testified here, when answering one of the questions put to him by one of the defense counsel, as to how for instance, the death reports or sick reports were reported or forwarded to the higher-ups, and what the channels were for the names of inmates who were working in the factory; and I shall the trial record here on page 930 of the German translation.
This is what Kogon stated: "The channel went from those enterprises to the camp commander of that particular concentration camp, and from there, it went to the hospital of the inmates in the concentration camp. Then it went to the labor allocation leader, then the report went on to the WVHA Department D, and that in two copies. First of all to Amtsgruppe D, then to Office D-III, through the hospital, and through the medical officer there. Then from the labor allocation leader through that department which dealt with these inmates' labor questions. However, that did not necessarily have to become known to every member of that department, let alone to all those who participated in the Amtsgruppe." As a dentist, I am sure I would have been absolutely unfit to be taken into the circle of secrecy and to know all those things.
Q Witness, I shall now come to the last chapter of my interrogations, which is the chapter concerning the conspiracy which is a new chapter.
Do you know -
THE PRESIDENT: Perhaps this would be a good time to take the recess.
(A recess was taken)
Court No. II, Case No. 4.
THE MARSHAL: The Tribunal is again in session.
DR. HOFFMAN (Counsel for defendant Scheide): Your Honor, in the preparation of the case of Scheide, I would like to ask the Tribunal if they can tell me now whether there will be any session tomorrow.
THE PRESIDENT: The Tribunals are sitting jointly tomorrow morning, but we will resume the afternoon session at the usual time, a quarter of two.
HERMANN POOK - Resumed DIRECT EXAMINATION - Continued BY DR. RATZ:
Q Witness, you are charged with having participated in a common enterprise or conspiracy. I must, therefore, ask you some questions about the position you occupied in relation to the entire plan, first of all, within the WVHA? You have already stated that you were not the Chief Dentist, because such a position did not exist.
A Yes. In the WVHA and the entire Waffen-SS we did not have a Chief Dentist. However, the defendant Pohl has also stated on the witness stand that he did not know anything about the existence of a dentist in Office D-III. Therefore, if this position had been of any importance whatsoever, then at least Pohl, who was the Chief of the Main Office, would have had to have had knowledge of it. The same thing applies to other important people in the WVHA.
Q Were you Office Chief or Deputy Chief of an office in the WVHA? Were you Chief of a Main Department, or were you Chief in any office or department? How could your official position be described?
A I was not Office Chief, nor was I a Deputy Office Chief, nor was I in charge of a department or main department. The establishment of the position of Leading Dentist at that time was carried out by Office XIV in the Medical Office, and not in the WVHA. The designation "Leading Dentist" was not connected with a corresponding position. In no organization chart which has been submitted here about the WVHA is any dental agency mentioned, or has the word "Leading Dentist" been used.
Court No. II, Case No. 4.
The only exception is the chart on the wall here, which is to that extent incorrect. I was an expert and consultant, exclusively in dental matters, with the Chief of the Office D-III. Therefore, I was not an expert in administrative matters either.
Q Were you as a dental expert ever invited to a session or an official conference, or did you participate in any meetings; that is to say, with the Chief of the Main Office Pohl or with Gluecks, or with any Office Chief of Amtsgruppe D?
A I did not participate in any meetings or conferences of the Chief of the Main Office Pohl in the HVHA, nor did I attend any meetings within Office Group D, with Gruppenfuehrcr Gluecks. I do not even believe that any meetings took place within Amtsgruppe D. However, I do not know that for certain. The conferences of the commanders which took place at intervals of several months and which have been mentioned so frequently in this trial--I never participated in any of them.
THE PRESIDENT: You mean the concentration camp commanders?
A Yes, I refer to the meetings of the concentration camp commanders.
Q Did you have any meetings with members of the WVHA outside of your line of duty?
A When I did not go to Berlin in the evening in order to work in my practice there, then I stayed within the area of the dental station, and I would stay in my room there. There I would be together with the colleagues who besides me were also working in the dental station.
Q During your time of work in the WVHA how many of the defendants did you know?
A I knew Sommer. However, I only knew him very slightly. Our acquaintance was limited to saying 'Hallo' to him a few times. However we did not have any official contact. I occasionally saw the Defendant Eirenschmalz in the street, and I therefore knew him by sight. I also knew by sight, without ever having talked to them, the Defendants Pohl, Frank, Fanslau, Georg Loerner and Scheide. The other defendants were completely unknown to me, and I did not even know them by name. I only met these people here for the first time in the prison.
Q Did you know Himmler personally?
A No. I only saw Himmler from a very far distance once or twice during my membership in the mounted SS. However, I never talked to him. I knew Gluecks, and I already stated before that I was in his office on one occasion to see him. I was assigned to Office Group D. At that time I had to report to him as was customary.
Q How about Liebenhenschel?
A When I was assigned to Office Group D, I believe that Liebenhenschel had already left. It is possible that I met him on some later occasion. However, I don't know that any more.
Q How about Hoess?
A Hoess was chief of Office D for "Dog" I. On some occasions I used to see him within the building. However, I never talked to him because we did not have any official contacts with each other.
Q How about Melmer?
A I have heard the name of Melmer here for the first time in this trial, but that name was completely unknown to me at the time.
Q How about Globocnik?
A The name of Globocnik was completely unknown to me also, and I only heard of him for the first time in the course of this trial.
Q How about Wippern?
A Wippern who was as I saw from the Poles administrative officer in the garrison of Lublin was completely unknown to me. I have heard this name here for the first time.
Q On the 11th of April in the course of this trial the name of Professor Schenk has been mentioned here, and it was stated that you had known him personally.
THE PRESIDENT: What name was that please?
Q Schenk. That was Schenk, S-c-h-e-n-k.
A Schenk was also completely unknown to me. I did not know Schenk before, and I did not know that we had a food inspector within the WVHA. That fact was completely unknown to me.
Q On the first of October, 1940, you were conscripted into the Waffen-SS. After you had completed your military training, you were assigned to the medical office of the Waffen-SS, the department dental service. Did you volunteer for this assignment, or did you volunteer to become leading dentist in the Office D-III?
A No, I did not volunteer for service in the medical office, nor did I request my assignment to Office D-III. The Office XIV and its office chief ordered this assignment for me. It was not possible for any member of the military service to select his own assignment.
Q Before that time did you have any contacts with the WVHA?
A Before I was assigned to Amtsgruppe D, I did not have any contact whatsoever with the WVHA.
Q Assuming that for some reason or other you had the desire to leave the Waffen-SS during the war, could you have done that?
A No, service in the Waffen-SS was considered as military service, and I was conscripted for that by law. That was exactly like doing service in any other part of the armed services, It was impossible for me to leave that service.
I would not have been able to leave it either if I had volunteered for the Waffen-SS, which was not the case. I could have only left the Waffen-SS by incurring severe punishment, and that, of course, would have been desertion.
Q Why were you assigned to these positions which we have already described in the Waffen-SS?
A I am unable to tell you that. As I stated before, Office XIV ordered me to take over these assignments. I only know that my use in the establishment, and later on the direction of the dental station at Berlin, that this was based on my experience, for my years in my own practice.
Q You joined the SS through the Ride-Sport-Unit, and you went to the Mounted-SS. You are now charged or suspected of having joined a conspiracy with other persons in order to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. During your membership in the Waffen-SS, what was your political activity?
A Political activity within the Waffen-SS was prohibited, just like in all the other branches of the armed forces. The soldier did not have any right to vote either. He was excluded from that also. During his membership in the Wehrmacht or the Waffen-SS his membership in the Allgemeine-SS or the Reiter-SS rested, and also his membership to the Party rested. This was also expressed by the fact that during this time he did not have to pay any membership fees to these organizations.
Q Before you had been conscripted into the Waffen-SS and when you were still a member of the Reiter-SS, did you receive any socalled ideological instructions and lectures?
A When I was a member of the Reiter-SS at the very beginning we did not receive any such lectures. As I have already stated, very soon afterwards I was used as a dentist, and from that time I only worked as a dentist, and I did not participate in any other service, except for horseback riding.
I, therefore, cannot say if any such lectures were given later on.
Q Do you maintain the conviction that the Anti-Semitism of the Party was aimed at the physical extermination of the Jews -- or just what do you understand by the Anti-Semitism which was contained in the Party program?
A I did not concern myself very much with these questions. However, I understood Anti-Semitism to mean that the Jews, that the influence of the Jews was to be limited, to a proportion with number of Jews living in Germany. I did not think of any extermination. In my practice I took care of everybody who came to see me for treatment. I did care what profession he belonged to. I treated all of them equally. That was not only in the time before 1933, but also after 1933, and up to the year 1940, as long as I was able to carry on my civilian practice. I can also furnish proof of that fact.
Q How did you understand the ideological concepts of the SS?
A I considered the Allgemeine-SS as having an idealistic attitude, and I had the impression that it recognized the basic principles of decency and morality.
Q Was there any contact between the Waffen-SS and the GeneralSS in the way that members of the Waffen-SS were given special training in the ideas of the SS?
AAs far as I know no contact existed. There was only the one connection, that members of the General-SS, whenever they joined the armed forces, were usually assigned to the Waffen-SS. However, as far as I know, this was not always done. There was a large number of members of the General-SS, and these people were assigned to other branches of the armed forces, like the navy and the air force.
Q In the indictment against the SS, before the I. M. T. it was alleged that the crimes which were committed in the concentration camps were not individual deeds of the individual persons, but that they constituted a certain SS policy, and for many years they were committed in many countries.
What do you have to say about that?
A Unfortunately, I have only recognized today that in the concentration camps not only irresponsible individuals committed crimes, but crimes were also carried out there on a fundamental basis. However, all these things were kept so secret before the public that any outsider, and with that the largest part of the Waffen-SS, including myself, although I was a member of Office Group D, did not have any knowledge of all these things happening there.
Q.- Didn't you have any knowledge either of the medical experiments? Were experiments also carried out in the dental field?
A.- No experiments were carried out in the dental field. However, the medical experiments also were completely unknown to me at that time. As I have seen from the opening speech of the Prosecution, these medical experiments mainly took place in the years between 1940 and 1943. That was at a time when I was not yet a member of the WVHA.
Q.- Did you participate or did you have knowledge of sterilization measures which were carried out, or the Euthanasia program?
A.- These measures were also completely known to me. The word "euthanasia" even was unknown to me, just as I did not know anything about "14-F-13". I heard of that here for the first time. However, the crimes which were committed under these designations took place within the years up to 1943.
In the opening speech the Prosecution also read a letter by Gluecks to the camp commanders. It was of the 27th of April, 1943, and this letter also refers to this fact.
Q.- Did you have any knowledge of deportation of foreign people for slave labor, or did you have any knowledge of the fact that these people were forced to work under inhuman conditions?
A.- I knew that a large number of foreign workers were in Germany. They consisted of Italians, French, Belgians, Dutchmen; and people also came for work in Germany from the Eastern territories. The Eastern workers wore a special insignia on their clothing that said "East." Since they were able to move around completely at liberty, and since they did not look very sad at all I had to assume that these people had volunteered for work in Germany. I did not have any knowledge of the working conditions and in particular about cruel working conditions.
Q.- In the indictment against the SS before the IMT it is also stated the rule of terror of the SS was a systematic and official program.
Witness, did you ever receive knowledge of such a program while you were a member of the Reiter-SS, or while you belonged to the Waffen-SS?
A.- During neither my membership in the Reiter-SS nor while I belonged to the Waffen-SS did I ever hear about such a program. I never was able to make any observations which would have informed me of these matters.
Q.- Are you of the opinion that outside of the high superiors who issued these crimes that other persons were also responsible for the crimes which were committed in the concentration camps?
A.- Besides the highest superiors who issued such orders, the guilty ones may also have been among the concentration camp commanders, medical officers, and other camp personnel. However, the culprits may also have been among the circle of the inmates themselves. However, that is only insofar as they participated in criminal acts.
I must say that I, as a factual superior, of the camp dentists, did not commit any criminal acts in any way.
Q.- Witness, your guilt as a member of the WVHA is considered in the fact that you participated in the administration of concentration camps. Would you say that you participated in the Administration of the camps?
A.- I was the factual superior of camp dentists. This was a medical service and it was not part of the administration. I did not misuse my office in order to hurt or inflict any damage on the camp inmates. To the best of my knowledge and belief I worked in order to help their physical condition. I believe that throughout the world on dentist has ever been punished by any court because he carried out his profession. That I used my experience and skill in the Office D-III cannot be considered as constituting a crime. As far as the removal of the gold from the teeth of deceased persons is concerned, then I justify myself before God and my own conscience, and I declare myself innocent, especially since I did not contribute to this either by my own acts or by issuing orders or by negligence in the commission of these acts.
DR. RATZ: May it please the Tribunal, I have now completed the direct examination of the defendant Hermann Pook. I would like to submit a few more documents from my document book. On page 29 of my document book we have Document Hermann Pook, number 4, which I submit as Exhibit 8. This is an affidavit of Herbert Siggelkow.
He was the pharmacist to Dr. Lolling just as Dr. Pook was assigned to Dr. Lolling as a dentist. He states that it was the main task of Dr. Pook, after expert reviewing, to forward orders from the camps to the Medical Office. He goes on to say, and I quote:
"Since these activities did not absorb all of Dr. Pook's time he was simultaneously taking charge of the garrison dental clinic at Oranienburg. Here, members of the units stationed in the garrison and their families were given dental treatment. Only the guards of the Sachsenhausen concentration camp had their own dental station which was under the supervision of the then Sturmbannfuehrer Dr. Guessow. Dr. Pook's activities at the garrison dental clinic in Oranienburg claimed the greatest part of his time...."
Then Siggelkow goes on to say, and I quote from the next paragraph -
THE PRESIDENT: Counsel, you need not read these affidavits because we simply follow along as you read them. They will get careful attention from the Tribunal. Unless you just want to emphasize certain points, we will read the entire document.
DR. RATZ: I then shall sum up the contents of this document with very few sentences.
The worker then tells us about the relationship of Dr. Pook with Lolling. He states that Dr. Pook had very little influence there, that the personal relationship between Dr. Pook and Lolling was not good. He states that Dr. Pook never deputized for Dr. Lolling, that Dr. Lolling had his own small circle and Dr. Pook did not belong to that circle.
With regard to the question of the gold from the teeth of deceased inmates, the witness Siggelkow states that in his opinion Dr. Pook had nothing to do with it. He quotes a statement of Dr. Pook where he said, "Once in the course of a discussion concerning dentures he told me that applications for the permit and allocation of gold for dentures must be submitted to the Medical Office on a prescribed form and that he had no say in the matter whatsoever."
I want to submit another affidavit; it is from Georg Rammler. It is Document Hermann Pook, number 5; it is Exhibit No. 9. It is on page 32 of my document book.
From 1941 until 1945 Rammler was Stabsscharfuehrer (or Hauptfeldwebel) on the SS staff company at the office group D of the WVHA. He states that Dr. Pook was mainly active as the chief dental surgeon of the SS ward in the SS hospital of the army dental clinic. He states that Dr. Pook very rarely went to Office Group D. And Rammler goes on to say that Pook did not make any official trips with the Chief of Office D-4, Burger.
In a previous affidavit he had made a statement to the contrary, and now he states that this was a mistake on his part. With the large number of furloughs and trips he had to deal with, he states that with the amount of work he carried out at the time he may have made a mistake.
Court No. II, Case No. 4.
DR. RATZ: I also want to submit on page 45 of my Document Book, the affidavit of ..... That is Exhibit 10, Document No. 8. That is the affidavit of Dr. Schlorf. I would like to read now the first paragraph because it deals with a question which I consider to be very important. Schlorf states in his affidavit and I quote: "I do not know any exact details whether in the civilian sector, before the cremation of dead persons in crematorium gold teeth were removed or not. Only once I heard from Pastor Reager, Hamburg-Lockstedt, Lutherstrasse, that an officer of the Wehrmacht whose home town was Hamburg, died at Leipsig, and that the family's request to have the run transferred to Hamburg was answered by saying that this could be effected if they would only give their consent to the removal of gold teeth before the cremation and to their being collected by some Reich authority."
For the rest I merely want to point out the contents of this affidavit.
Now, I want to submit two more affidavits on page 46 of the Document Book. This is Document HP No. 9, Exhibit No. 11. This is an affidavit by Dr. Poeck who states that he knows that Dr. Pook was a member of the Berlin Reiter SS (Standarte 7). And the last document I want to submit today is Document HP No. 10, which is Exhibit No. 12. It is the affidavit of Dr. Schwedler. He also states that Dr. Hermann Pook was a member of Reiter SS (Standarte 7 in Berlin).
With this I have concluded my presentation for today.
THE PRESIDENT: Any defense counsel wish to cross examine this witness?
BY DR. BELZER (For the Defendant Karl Sommer):
Q Witness, before you came to Nurnberg you were in the internment camp Neuengamme?
A Yes.
Q From what time on were you in that camp?
A I was in Neuengamme from 30 May 1945 until 1 November 1946.
Q Were you in the same camp where the witness Rammler was Court No. II, Case No. 4.located?
A From 10 March 1946 on, yes.
Q In Neuengamme didn't you know the former SS-Oberscharfuehrer Sommer?
A Yes. That man Sommer in April or May 1946 was transferred to Camp 3 at that time. That was the 6th Civilian Internment Camp at Neuengamme. As I heard later on he had been recognized in Hamburg by former concentration camp inmates and then he was arrested. At the time when he was turned over to Neuengamme this Camp 3 had a total strength of approximately 250 persons.
Q Did you hear anything at Neuengamme about the positions which this man Sommer had occupied?
A Sommer was a person who was not looking for company and he always remained by himself. In my capacity as dentist there I was charged with giving dental treatment which became necessary in the internment camp and I had the opportunity of talking to him. If I can recall correctly he told me at the time he had been in Auschwitz and had been in charge of a block there.
Q Do you recall the first name of this man Sommer?
A I cannot tell you that in detail anymore. If I can recall correctly his first name was Georg. However, I cannot say that with certainty.
Q Is it correct that approximately four to five weeks ago you told the co-defendant Karl Sommer of the existence of this man Sommer at Neuengamme?
A Yes, that is correct.
Q Is it also correct to say that you stated at the time that Rammler would be able to give more precise information about it?
A Yes, I said that before. I figured that Rammler, being in charge of the camp, would be able to give greater information about it.
Q The examination of tine witness Bielsky took place 14 April, this year. Why didn't you immediately in connection with the examination Court No. II, Case No. 4.of this witness make that statement?
A I can't say that right now. I didn't realize the importance of this matter at that moment, only realized it a little later on.
Q Are you perfectly certain that this individual at Neuengamme was really called Sommer?
A Yes. I don't know him by any other name.
Q Is it possible that the man whom you met at Neuengamme was called Sommerer, that is to say, he had two letters more in his name?
A No.
Q Yesterday I was informed of the camp administration at Neuengamme and I received a confirmation about this person. I shall submit this confirmation I received in evidence. In addition to this confirmation by the camp administration at Neuengamme I also received photographs of the person who is held in confinement at Neuengamme. I request the Tribunal's permission to show the photographs to the witness with the question whether these photographs constitute a true likeness of the man whom he knows by the name of Sommer.
A Yes, that is the man Sommer who I know.
Q Since my time was so much limited I was unable to have this document reproduced. I don't know if it is appropriate for me to hand in this document now or if it would be more appropriate if I could present it later on.
THE PRESIDENT: I think you can present it now and let the Tribunal see the photographs which you showed the witness.
DR. BELZER: I then would like to read briefly the contents of this letter. It is a confirmation of the internment camp at Neuengamme.
THE PRESIDENT: Do you have a copy of it in German for the interpreter?
DR. BELZER: Your Honor, the letter is written in English. The document was written in English.
THE PRESIDENT: Have you translated it?
DR. BELZER: I can only summarize the contents of the letter.
Court No. II, Case No. 4.
However, I do not have the exact translation of it.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, you will later have a literal translation of it for the German documents?
DR. BELZER: Yes, Your Honor.
THE PRESIDENT: Let us see the photographs in the meanwhile.
DR. BELZER: This document confirms the fact that under 61029 in the internment camp at Neuengamme the SS Unterscharfuehrer Georg Sommerer was interned there and before that he used to be in charge of a Block in the Concentration Camp Auschwitz. It was not stated when he was arrested. However, from the photographs it has been shown here that this picture was taken 23 May 1946. Therefore, it can be assumed that Sommerer was arrested around that period of time and went to Neuengamme. According to the confirmation I received Sommerer escaped from Neuengamme on 4 October 1946. He is alleged to be 72 cm. tall. He is 60 kilos. heavy. His eyes are blue, and his hair is dark brown and wavey. The name is Sommerer.
I now submit this as Sommer Document 37, Exhibit I.
I have no further questions.
THE PRESIDENT: Any further examination by defense counsel?
If not, Prosecution may cross examine.