I do want to say that if I had read it I would not have believed it.
Q Well, now, let us just turn to the "A" bundle again and look at the article that you wrote on the 17 of December, 1942. It is on page 34 "A". This is an article which is initialed "STR" so I presume it was written by you.
"The London newspaper, the "Times" of the 16 of September 1942 published a
Q Page 34 "A".
Q It is headed:
"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a toogh."
"The London newspaper, the "Times" of the 16 of September 1942 published a resolution which had been unanimously passed by the Board of Deputies of British Jews. This resolution expresses the grief and horror of the Angle-Jewish community at the unspeakable atrocities committed by Germany and her allies, an vassals against the Jews of Europe, atrocities which had only one aim, to exter minate the whole Jewish population of Europe in cold blood."
Now, you must have read of that in the "Times" because you say so.
Q "Strange how the Jews of the Angle-Jewish community suddenly begin to hear clearly. When the second World War began the Fuehrer of the German nation warned the Jewish war mongers against plunging the world into a blood bath again and since then the German Fuehrer has warned and prophesized again and again that the second World War, instigated by world Jewry, must necessarily, lead to the destruction of Jewry. In the last speech too, the Fuehrer again referred to his prophesy."
Did you write that?
A Yes, this is merely a quotation. It refers to a forecast from the Fueh rer, of which nobody could possibly tell what it really meant.
If you had not even read that or the "Isrealitisches Wochenblatt", did you ever hear of the declaration of the United Nations which was made on the 17th of December. 1942?
(witness handed document) Do you remember hearing of that?
You appear to have been reading the "Times you appear to have been reading some copies of the "Isrealitisches Wochenblatt." Maybe you heard of this declaration which was published in London, Washington and Moscow at the same time with the assent and support of all allied nations and dominions. I will just read it to you and see if you remember it.
"The attention of the Belgian, Czechoslovakian, Luxemburg, Netherland, Norwegian, Polish, Soviet, United Kingdom, United States and Yugoslav governments and also the French National Committee, has been drawn to numerous reports of Jewish race in all the territories over which their barberous rule has been extended the most elementry human rights, are now carrying into effect Hitler's oft repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe.
"From all the occupied countries Jews are being transported in conditions of appalling horror and brutality to Eastern Europe. In Poland, which has been made the principal Nazi slaughterhouse, the Ghettos established by the German invaders are being systematically emptied of all Jews except a few highly skilled workers required for war industries. None of those taken away are ever heard of again. The able-bodied are slowly worked to death in labor camps. The infirm are left to die of exposure and starvation, or are deliberately massacred in mass executions.
"The number of victims of these bloody cruelties is reckoned in many hundreds of thousands of entirely innocent men, women and children.
"The above-mentioned governments and the French National Committee condemn, in the strongest possible terms, this bestial policy of cold blooded extermination. They declare that such events can only strengthen the resolve of all freedom-loving peoples to overthrow the barbarous Hitlerite tyranny. They reaffirm their solemn resolution to ensure that those responsible for the crimes shall not escape retribution, and to press on with the necessary practical measures to this end."
Did you ever hear of this declaration?
A I don't know, but if I should have heard of it, why then I would have to say the following. many cruel stories which turned out to be rumors, that I had no reason to believe anything like this; nor was there any talk about it here, that millions of Jews were killed.
Q Well, you see, it isn't altogether uncorrobotated. You say you had no reason to believe it, but your Israelitische Wochenblatt, which you were subscribing to, was saying exactly the same thing.
Would you look at page 26-b of the B bundle? That is the declaration of the United Nations on the 17th of December. Just see what the Israelitische Wochenblatt says on the 18th.
And there I quote the second paragraph:
"At that time the Polish Government in London gave the number of Jews executed as 700,000. The Berlin radio declared that these reports were untrue, but admitted that in Poland Jews had had to be executed because they carried out acts of sabotage."
Then the last paragraph quoted:
"'Up to the end of September 1942', writes the Daily Telegraph, 'two million Jews have lost their lives in Germany and in the countries occupied by the Axis, and it is to be feared that the number of victims will be doubled by the end of this year.' " Did you happen to read that article?
A I can't remember having read it, but I would not have believed it if I had. on the 23rd of December, in the same terms; another on the 20th of December; and another on the 8th of January. Look at what it says on the 8th of January:
"The Polish Government in London has meanwhile issued a new declaration which states that all the information received agrees that a third of the three million odd Jews have lost their lives."
Did you read that?
A I don't know, but I have to repeat, I would not have believed it.
Q Well now, let's see just what you were writing on the 28th of January. Look at 35-a of your own bundle; 35-a. Now just see what your Chief Editor, the witness you are going to call, I understand, Hiemer--see what he has got to say first of all:
"But the Ghetto too, which has today been reestablished in nearly all European countries, is only an interim solution, for humanity, once awakened, will hot merely solve the Ghetto question but the Jewish question in its totality. A time will come when the present demands of the Jews will be fulfilled.
The Ghetto will have disappeared, and with it, Jewry."
What is he referring to, if he isn't referring to the mass killing, murder, of the Jewish race? That conviction must be understood the same way as something which a Jewish author wrote in his book in America. Erich Kauffmann wrote, "German people capable of having children should be sterilized, and in that manner the German people should be exterminated." It was at the same time that Hiemer wrote that article, and I want to say that the very severe tone is due to that book from America. repeatedly pointed out--and so does my defense counsel--that I wanted that book to be found. It was in the Voelkischer Beobachte can publicly write that all men in Germany capable of having children should be sterilized, to exterminate the German people, then I say an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. This is a theoretical matter.
Q Very well. I am sure we have heard your explanation. Let's see what you have to say about your own article on the same date. I quote from the middle of the next paragraph:
"But now in the fourth year of this war world Jewry is beginning, in its retrospective reflections, to understand that the destiny of Jewry is finding its fulfillment at the hands of German National Socialism."
What did you mean by that? Perhaps I should have quoted a little earlier, going back to the beginning:
"When, with the outbreak of the Second World War, world Jewry again began to manifest themselves as war mongers, Adolf Hitler announced to the world that the World War conjured up by world Jewry would result in the self-destruction of Jewry. This prophecy was the first big warning.
It was met with derision from the Jews, as were all the subsequent warnings."
And then you go on to say:
"But now in the fourth year of this war world Jewry is beginning to understand that the destiny of Jewry is finding its fulfillment at the hands of National Socialism."
What did you mean by that?
A What?
Q What do you mean by saying "World Jewry is finding its fulfilment at the hands of National Socialism?" How did you mean that National Socialism was finding the fulfilment of Jewry's destiny? the solution, since the Fuehrer intervened with their destiny. That wasn't a solution. the entire solution, which was, right from the beginning against even the thought of trying to solve the Jewish problem by means of programs. If I mentioned destiny, and that the fate of Jewry was to be fulfilled by National Socialism, then I wanted to say that only through National Socialism would the world get the knowledge and the realization that the Jewish problem must be solved internationally.
Q Let's just go on.
"That which the Fuehrer of the German people announced to the world as a prophecy at the beginning of this Second World War is now being fulfilled with unrelenting inevitability. World Jewry, which wanted to make big international business out of the blood of the warring nations, is rushing with gigantic steps towards its exturpation."
And again you use the word "Ausrottung." were aiming at was warning the world about Jewry? What do you mean by it? "Rushing with gigantic steps towards its exturpation--Ausrottung?" What did you me an by it?
A This is a warning. The Fuehrer made a prophecy; nobody could interpret that prophecy properly. The prophecy wasn't to revert to only this article, but to ten others. Again and again we referred to these prophecies, the first of which came in 1929. Today we know what the Fuehrer wanted to say; at that time we didn't. And I confess quite openly that with this quotation we wanted to warn world Jewry. author, Dr. Emil Ludwig Kohn, who had left Germany and emigrated to France, had written in the paper Le Sanale, in 1934, "Hitler does not want war, but be is being forced into it.
If Britain has the last word,"-
Q We are not discussing war now. We are discussing the extermination, the mass murder, of Jews by the National Socialists. That is what we are discussing. Let me read on:
"When Adolf Hitler stepped before the German people 20 years ago to submit to them the National Socialist demands which pointed into the future, he also made the promise which was to have the greatest effect in its result, that of freeing the world from its Jewish tormentors. How wonderful it is to know that this great man and leader is making action follow this promise also. It will be the greatest ever to take place amongst mankind." the policy of mass extermination which the Nazi Government had set out to do? Every order could be forecast which later on might turn out to be a fact, and we could write about it, which is what I did.
A But for my defense, Mr. Prosecutor, I want to be allowed to say that war too can be mass murder, with bombing attacks, and all that And if it is proved that someon says we forced Hitler into war, then I can certainly say that a man who knows that Hitler is being forced into war is a mass murderer. you again because we are not discussing whether or not Hitler was forced into war. We will leave that now. saying that while you were writing these articles you were not perfectly well aware of what was happening in the Eastern Territories.
We got as far as January 1943. I would like you to just look at one ro two of the Isrealitisch Wochenblatt and see if you remember reading any of these.
Will you look at Page 30-b the 26th of February, in your B bundle ?
"Exchange reports from Polish Government circles in London that Warsaw, Lvov, Lodz and other cities have been liquidated, and that nobody from the ghettos remains alive. The latest investigations have ascertained that only about 650,000 Jews remain out of 2,800,000."
Listen to me. Did you read that? Do you remember it?
A I don't know. For months -- I should say six months -- we didn't get the paper. But if I had read it, I would not have believed that either.
Q Did you believe Hitler? If you will turn over the page to 30-b, did you believe Hitler? According to the last two lines quoted in the Israelitische Wochenblatt of the 5th of March:
"Hitler, in his proclamation of the 24th of February, again proclaimed the extermination of the Jews in Europe as his goal." as the Israelitische Wochenblatt, the United Nations, and the Times newspaper in London?
A No. I declare that whoever heard the Fuehrer from his deepest emotions and has soul, as I have, and who had to learn later what was contained in his testament, and that he gave, clearly conscious of the fact, the order for mass extermination, he will face a puzzle. I state here.
Q We really don't want another long speech about the Fuehrer. Just turn over the page and look at what is being said on the 26th of March:
"The report of the Polish Government published in the English press includes. "In the town of Vilna 50,000 Jews were murdered; in Rovno 14,000; in Lvov half the total Jewish population.
"Many details are also given about the use of poison gas, as at Chelm, of electricity in Belzec, of the deportations from Warsaw, the surrounding of blocks of houses, and of the attacks with machine guns."
Did you read that one?
A I don't know. However, shootings must have occured, of course, where Jews committed sabotage and all that.
That is perfectly clear. During a war that is considered as a matter of course. However, the figures which are quoted here were just simply not believable.
Q Yes. I understand you to say that now, but what I do not understand is what you meant when you said this morning that the Israelitische Wochenblatt made no mention of murders and gave no figures. You didn't say that the figures were unbelievable; you told this Tribunal, on your death, that the newspaper contained nothing except the hints of dissapearance, with no mention of figures. What did you mean by that? remember everything. During an interrogation some time back I stated, based on memory, that an edition must exist which mentions the disappearance of Jews, and so on. It is in the Israelitische Wochenblatt. And I thought, as I said, that it was in 1943; and it is true. If one article after the other is put before me -- well, even if I had seen it, how can I remember it? But that I should have told you an untruth deliberately, that is quite wrong.
Q We will deal with the article you mention in 1933 in one moment; but before we do that, just see if you believe your own staff. Turn, will you, to 38A, M-139. Now, on the 6th of May it so happens just after those last three extracts from the "Das Israelitische Wochenblatt" we have looked at, within two or three months, one or two months afterward your newspaper is publishing this article. It is headed "Children of the Devil."
"Der Sturmer paid a visit to the ghettoes in the East. Der Sturmer sent its photographer to various ghettoes; a member of Der Sturmer's staff is well acquainted with the Jews. Nothing can surprise him easily. But what our contributor saw in those ghettoes was a unique experience for him. Jews are not human beings but children of the devil and the spawn of crime. centuries looked upon as God's chosen people by the non-Jews. This satanic race really has no right to exist." during 1942 and 1943. Are you really telling this Tribunal that your photographer went with his camera to those ghettoes and found out nothing about the mass murder of Jews? April, 1943. Your photographer must have been around just about that time, if you were writing on the 6th of May, if he had just returned. Did you think he could have been there looking at ghettoes for Der Sturmer, for Julius Streicher, the Jew-baiter, and have discovered nothing of what was happening in the ghetto in Warsaw and elsewhere? campaign a Viennese reporter went over there, made films and made reports, and in 1942 I think you will find a name which I would like to know. There will be a signature to show whom it was written by. One thing I know is that the ghetto was destroyed; something which I saw from an illustrated report which I think originated in the Ministry of Propaganda. But mass executions or the destruction of the ghetto during an uprising -- well, that sounds legal, and I consider it right; but mass murder in the ghetto in Warsaw?
That is something I never heard of.
Q Now, just let's look at the article to which you referred a moment ago. Will you look at 44A of the Document Book. My Lord, this is the same as was included at page 35 in the original Document Book, but there is slightly more of the extract quoted at page 44A. are speaking the truth in telling the Tribunal that you did not know what was happening. You quote in that article from the Swiss newspaper, "Das Israelitische Wochenblatt", on the 27th of August 1943 -- you will see that date in the centre of the first paragraph -- I start now from that line in the centre. The Swiss Jewish newspaper goes on to say, "The Jews of Europe with the exception of those in England and of the lesser Jewish communities in a few neutral countries have, so to speak, disappeared. The Jewish reservoir of the East, that was able to counter-balance the force of the apparent assimilation of the West, no longer exists." That is the end of your quotation from the newspaper, and you go on to say, "This is not a Jewish lie; it is really true that the Jews have so to speak disappeared from Europe and that the Jewish reservoir of the East from which the Jewish pestilence spread for centuries among the European nations has ceased to exist. If the Swiss newspaper wishes to affirm that the Jaws did not expect this kind of treatment when they plunged the nations into the second world war, this is to be believed, but already at the beginning of the war the German Nation's Fuehrer prophesied the events that have taken place. He said that the second world war would divide those who wished it." not know how to interpret the word "disappearance," the disappearance of the Jews from the East? Are you really telling the Tribunal that?
The word "disappearance" doesn't mean exterminate from the mass. This is a quotation from the Israelite weekly and is a repeated quotation of what the Fuehrer had prophesied.
there, which you will find at page 36B -- and I would like you to follow it and we will read the two together. Now, the particular paragraph which I want to read with the "Israelitische Wochenblatt" is that quotation which I have just read to you and you will find the same quotation, My Lord; it starts at the end of the eighth but last line, "The Jews of Europe......." Have you got them in front of you, Defendant?
Q It would be better, I think, if you followed it. I want to help you as much as possible. Page 44A and 36B. I will read slowly first of all from your Sturmer again, "The Jews of Europe with the exception of those in England and of the lesser Jewish communities in a few neutral countries have so to speak disappeared," and you will see that you then go on in the quotation and say "the Jewish reservoir of the East which was able to counter-balance the force of the apparent assimilation of the West no longer exists."
Now, would you look at that original article, "The Jews of Europe" -this is 36B -- "the Jews of Europe with the exception of those in England and the lesser Jewish communities in the few neutral countries have so to speak disappeared."
Now -- there you go on, "The Jewish reservoir of the East" -- the original goes on -- "three million dead, the same number outlawed, mentally and physically broken." you read that article of the 27th of August, you didn't know that Jews were being murdered in the East, that you had not read of those things in the "Israelitische Wochenblatt"?
A Whether I had read it or not, I wouldn't have believed it, that three million Jews had been killed. That is something I wouldn't have believed. That is why I left it out, I think. At any rate, the German censorship wouldn't have allowed it to spread, something which isn't credible.
THE PRESIDENT: You didn't read the last part of the line.
LT. COLONEL GRIFFITH-JONES: "... broken. That is the result of the new order." I am obliged to you. "That is the result", you say, "of the new order in Europe."
Q You say you didn't believe it. Is that what you say, that you must have read it -
Q -- but you just didn't believe it?
Q Even if you didn't believe it, when you were reading this newspaper more or less regularly, your own camera-man had been to the ghettoes in the East, did you think it right to go on week after week in your newspaper crying out for the extermination, murder of the Jews?
A That isn't true. It isn't true that a murder was demanded, and I repeat again, it was due to the voice from America, that called for our extermination by sterilization, increased mass-murder against Germans, that I as an author can say that the Jews too can be. That is a matter for authors, for writers. But the mass-murders had taken place a long time before, and I state here that if I had known what had in fact happened in the East, then I wouldn't have used these quotations at all which I have used. article, after sending your camera-man, when the United Nations published their declaration, after Hitler's prophecies had been made again and again in his proclamations, after you had been fulfilled -- you really say you didn't know?
A The photographer is at your disposal. He is in Vienna, and I ask to heave him brought here. And I state that this photographer knew nothing and didn't know anything about mass murders.
THE PRESIDENT: I think we might adjourn now.
(A recess was taken.)
DR. MARX: Mr. President, with the permission of the Tribunal, and in the interest of clarification, I should like to point out the following: The Prosecutor, Sir Griffith Jones, has mentioned a document, page 38 from Der Sturmer of 6 May 1943. That seems to be an error, because we are dealing here with the Sturmer of 6 March 1943. Sturmer published a report of the 6 March in the Sturmer, then he must have been, before 6 March 1943 at the Ghetto in Warsaw.
THE PRESIDENT: Why do you say 6 March? The document I have before me has 6 May.
LIEUTENANT COLONEL GRIFFITH-JONES: There has been a mistake, I am afraid, in the German that Dr. Marx has. I have the original before me, which is 6 May 1943.
DR. MARX: Excuse me. At the present moment, I can not recall when the destruction of the Ghetto of Warsaw took place. That was document 1061-PS. Would you know?
LIEUTENANT COLONEL GRIFFITH-JONES: I can not remember at the moment the document, but the date was, I think from memory, from the 1st to the 23rd of April.
DR. MARX: Then, of course, I beg you to excuse my statement.
Q. Now, we had just dealt with the "Israelitisches Wochenblatt" issue for 26 April, the copy that you quoted from. I just refer you to one more copy of that newspaper. Would you look at page 37-B, which is an issue of 10 September, 1943:
"Statistics presented by the Convening Committee showed that five million out of the eight and a half million Jews of Europe had died or been deported through methodical measures in the campaign of extermination. Through forced labor and deportations, about three million Jews had lost their lives."
Did you read that one?
A. I do not know, and again I would have have believed it. To this day, I do not believe that five million Jews were killed. I consider it technically impossible that that could have happened. I do not believe it. I have not received proof of that.
I have not received it up until now.
Q. It is quite clear that there were plenty of figures for you quoted in this "Israelitisches Wochenblatt" over the period that we are discussing? Plenty of figures, now it turns out, doesn't it?
A. Pardon?
Q. We will go on. Now, I just want to put one or two further articles of your own to you. You remember what I am suggesting: That you are inciting the German people to murder. We know now that at least you read one article in the "Israelitisches Wochenblatt" where murder is mentioned. I just want to see what you go on to publish in your own paper after that date.
Would you look at page 47 A. This is an article by yourself on 6 January 1944. This is after you had been living on your estate for some time.
"After the national Socialist uprising in Germany, a development began in Europe, too, from which one can expect that it will free this continent once and for all of the Jewish disintegrator of nations and exploiter, and over and above this, that the German example will, after a victorious termination of the second world war, bring about the destruction of the Jewish world tormentor in the other continents as well." world? What example do you mean there?
A. Those articles explain what I have already said. I spoke of an international solution of the Jewish question. I was convinced that if Germany in this war had been victorious over Bolshevism, then the possibility would have existed to come to an agreement with the other nations for an international solution of the Jewish question, and if I speak here about destruction, you can not take it as physical destruction by mass killing; as I have said, that is an expression, and again I have to point that out. I do not really believe that Erich Kauffmann really wanted to kill the German people by sterilization, but he wrote about it, and in the same manner, we wrote about it too and used similar expressions.
Q. You have not yet told us what is this international solution that you are advocating by talking about extermination; if it is not murder, what is it What is the solution?
A. I have already said that I founded an Anti-Semites Union, and beyond that Anti-Semites Union among the nations, we wanted to create movements which should get the possibility beyond the power of governments to act in such a way that an international possibility should be created, such as has been found here in this town. Likewise, I thought that an international congress should take place, should meet, which would solve the Jewish question by the creation of a Jewish state and thereby should destroy the power of the Jews within other nations.
Q. That is your answer -- that you were advocating a Jewish state? Is that all that this comes to? Is it simply that you were advocating a Jewish national home? Is that what you have been talking about in all those extracts that we have read? Is that the solution which you are advocating?
A. Well, I do not know what you want with that question. Of course, that is the solution.
Q. Very well. Let us just go on now. Turn to page 48-A now, will your? This is 24 January 1944:
"Whoever does what a Jew does is a scroundrel, a criminal, and he who repeats and wishes to copy him deserves the some fate -- annihilation, death."
Are you still advocating a national Jewish home?
A. Yes, that has nothing to do with the big political plan. If you take every statement by a writer, every statement from a daily newspaper out of its context and want to prove a political aim by it, then you do not get the desired effect. You have to distinguish between a newspaper article and a great political aim.
Q. Let us just turn now to the next page, 2 March 1944:
"Eternal night must come over the born criminal race of the Jews so that eternal day may make the awakening non-Jewish mankind happy."
Were they going to have eternal night in their national Jewish state? Is that what you wanted?
A. That is an anti-Semitic play of words. Again it has nothing to do with the great political aim.
Q. It may be an anti-Semitic play of words, but the only meaning it could have is murder. Is that not true?
A. No.
Q. Will you turn to the next page, 25 May 1944, and I remind you that these are all after you must have read of the murder in "Israelitisches Wochenblatt". I quote the second paragraph?
"How can we overcome this danger and restore humanity to health? Just as a human being is able to defend himself against contagious diseases only if he proclaims war against the cause of the disease, the germ, so to speak; so the world can be restored to health only when the most terrible germ of all time, the Jew, has been removed. It is of no avail to battle against the outward symptoms of the world disease without rendering the actual cause of the disease innocuous. The disease will nevertheless break out again sooner or later. The cause and the bearer of the disease sees to this itself, the germ, but if the nations are to be restored to health and are to remain healthy in the future, then the germ of the Jewish world plague must be destroyed, root and branch."
Is that what you mean? Are you saying there when you say "must be destroyed root and branch" -- did you mean to say "ought to be given a Jewish national state?
A. Yes, from such a statement in an article, to the will and the actions of mass murder, there is a long way.
"The struggle against Judaism will be returned. Then the Jew will be extinguished. Then Judaism will be annihilated down to the last man."
Are we to read from these words: Provide the Jews with a Jewish national state
A That is a vision of the future. I would like to call it an expression of a prophetic vision. But it is not incitement to kill five million Jews. That is an opinion of ideology, of conviction, of faith.
Q It is the prophetic vision of what you wanted, isn't it--of what you have been advocating now for the last four years from the beginning of the war? Isn't that what it is?
A Mr. Prosecutor, what one heard years go at a certain moment, when one wrote that article, one cannot say today. But I had right next to me on the table confessions from the front of Judaism, confessions in which it says the German nation has to be destroyed, bombard the cities, do not save women and children.
If you have confessions like these it is possible that out of one's pen that comes which I have written. millions of Jews have been murdered since the beginning of the war? Lo you know that? You have heard the evidence, have you not? You can answer it.
Q I only wanted to know whether you had heard that evidence. You can answer yes or no, and I presume it will be yes.
There he states that the mass executions took place upon his orders. That I believe Now I believe it. six million Jews in 1921? Do you think the German people would have stood for it? Do you think it would have been possible under any regime in 1921 to have carried out the murder of six million men, women, and children of the Jewish race? no, It would not have been possible. The Prosecutor himself has said here that since 1937 the Party had full control over the people. If the people would have known even then, according to the opinion of the Prosecution, on the basis of the control exercised by the Nazis, they could not have done anything against that dictatorship. But the people did not know it. That is my belief and my conviction and my knowledge.
years of incitement and propaganda by you and other Nazis? Is that what made that possible?
A That I do not admit, that there was incitement. There was enlightement, and sometimes a harsh word may have fallen against the other side as an answer. It was enlightement--not incitement. And if before history We want to keep our place, I have to state the German people did not want any killings, whether individually or-I am going to remind you of what you have said.
Q I am going to remind you of what you said yesterday. I read from the transcript: "To speak of a Jewish question at the time--" that is 1923 -- "I would like to say the public distinguished Jews only by their religion, to speak about a Jewish problem would have been nonsense." had only been created by you and the Nazi regime? impossible sexual intercourse between different races, if that should become law, then the public has to know that Jewry does not mean religion but people and race. ment, or, as the Prosecution says, incitement. Mass killings were the last acts of the will of a man who was probably desperate because he saw that he could not conquer--of a great man of history.
LIEUTENANT COLONEL GRIFFITH JONES: I have no further questions. Perhaps I might be allowed to just sort out the exhibits and then mention to the Tribunal their numbers. If the Tribunal would agree, those that I have put in evidence, which are the other parts of the bundle other than I have actually quoted from, perhaps I could put them all in as one number and hand the exhibits to the Clerk, if that would be the convienient course.
THE PRESIDENT: I think so, yes. If they are in one bundle, and you are going to give one number to a number of documents, it had better be one bundle, hadn't it
LIEUTENANT COLONEL GRIFFITH JONES: Yes.
THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Marx, do you want to reexamine.?