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"DR. FRITZ: Thank you, I have no further questions."
A I don't remember anything. Something isn't functioning right.
(testing of apparatus)
THE WITNESS: Ya wohl.
BY MR. HARDY:
Q Witness, during the course of the high altitude experiments, did you see Luftwaffe uniforms at Dachau?
A If I am not deceived by my recollection, yes.
Q Witness, during the course of the freezing experiments at Dachau, did you see personnel in Luftwaffe uniforms?
A I cannot remember that in detail.
Q Witness, during the course of the sea water experiments, did you see personnel wearing Luftwaffe uniforms at Dachau?
A The sea water experiments were only conducted by Luftwaffe personnel. I saw a number of uniforms there; and a sergeant who only had admission to this room.
Q Witness, you kindly tell this High Tribunal, what color the Luftwaffe uniform is?
A The uniforms I saw there, according to my recollection, were dark blue uniforms; but it is impossible for me now to describe the exact uniform and rank insignia. At that time, it was a matter of course for us to discuss these various experiments, and I don't think my memory is deceiving me when I said that these sea water experiments were only carried out by the Luftwaffe. The SS physicians from the Camp did not participate, nor did any other medical officers.
Q Witness, you have stated here that Standartenfuehrer Sievers visited Dachau and that Sievers had nothing to do with Malaria research, have you not?
A I only know of STANDARTENFUEHRER Sievers because of his name and his appearance, during the negotiations about the transfer of our assistants to Dr. Bloetner's Institute of AHNENERBE.
Q Do you know whether or not STANDARTENFUEHRER Sievers had knowledge of the malaria research work of Prof. Schilling; that is, did you ever see Dr. Sievers visiting Prof. Schilling's laboratory?
A I saw STANDARTENFUEHRER Sievers in connection with Dr. Bloethner, and I saw him at Professor Schilling's laboratory. But whether questions of malaria research, or questions were discussed with reference to the transfer of personnel of Dr. Bloetner, I don't know, since I was not present during the negotiations.
Q Now, witness, you have told this Tribunal in great detail about the various experiments at the Dachau camp, and that you had, yourself, been subjected to malaria experiments five times; is that correct?
A Yes.
Q Witness, can you tell this Tribunal, what type of records, that is, case histories, were kept of each victim, at Schilling's malaria station?
AAt Prof. Schilling's station, every victim had a case history and a fever chart. His temperature was being taken every three hours, and his entire condition was noted down on that fever chart.
Prof. Schilling himself had two records. He worked on these fever charts daily; and there were two forms of card indexes where the fever, the treatment of drugs, and various other appearances were noted down in detail. There was no other case history in addition to that; but because of the current fever chart and the card indexes, for instance, we had a red and a yellow card index; and during the first year we had two records. But that is something which would start later on.
Q. Witness, I shall ask you to identify for the Tribunal these two cards.
MR. HARDY: If the Tribunal please, I have put on your bench Document Number NO.-983. This is an English translation of the cards in front of the witness at this time.
A. These cards are the original cards from our red card index system.
Q. This is the case history of your own case, Witness?
A. Yes, this is the case history of my own malaria immunization.
Q. Would you kindly tell the Tribunal how you obtained those two cards?
A. These two cards--I must tell you about that at length. In early April of the year of 1945 the order came from Berlin through Obergruppenfuehrer Gluecks to dissolve the malaria station; and all written and other material which could in any way be identified with the experiments were to be destroyed. Then by order of the chief physician we had to destroy all written material; books, card indexes, fever charts, everything was packed and was partly sent to the crematorium and partly was burned in the box stove of our hospital.
But since we still had a number of patients in the hospital and also about two hundred patients in the entire camp, who had only been infected for a short time, we were able to persuade the chief physician, Dr. Hintermeyer, to continue keeping the records, just removing the placards and signs in front of our doors and removing everything which in any way could be identified with malaria with only the exception of the curing of the patients. We wanted to cure them from the consequences of the disease.
Sturmbannfuehrer Hintermeyer permitted us to do that; and we continued to work. In order to enable us to make some kind of selection of the patients, we were allowed to keep this red card index so as to determine the names of such patients whom we wanted to continue treating.
This treatment continued until shortly before the arrival and also during the arrival of the liberating American troops. We were in that manner able to save this card index from extermination, in addition to a number of other materials.
Q. Witness, will you look at the card again and tell me on the third line where it says in parentheses in German "Subkutan Rose", what that refers to, witness?
A. That means that on the 2nd of April, 1942, there was a patient by the name of Becker, and five cubic centimeters of blood from his veins were injected into my skin underneath my chest.
The name "Rose's culture" means that this blood comes from a patient who was infected with the malaria culture of Rose.
Q. Witness, I realize you are not a medical man; but can you also point out what this card means in total; that is, can you read the dates of the card and explain to the Tribunal what each entry signifies?
A. Yes. On the 2nd of April I was infected with blood for the first time. On the 12th of April, that is, ten days later, for the first time I had this so-called pulmonary fever; and my temperature was 37.4. Since I belonged to a so-called immunization group, Group Number 25, I received a number of drugs; that is, they tried to prevent malaria coming to a head in my case. On the 13th of April, I received 2 grams of quinine. On the 14th of April, I received another 2 grams of quinine in the form of drugs. I had no fever until the 21st of April. On the 21st of April I received another injection of five cubic centimeters of blood from a very ill patient with the name of Zahn. Approximately ten days later I received a quinine injection of one gram.
Q. Witness, I don't think there is any necessity of your continuing on the rest of the entries. In whose handwriting were these entries made on that card? Do you know from your experience of the malaria station?
A. The first entries were made by our clerk. That was an Austrian lawyer 1942, he was released by Dr. Schilling; and then there were various other clerk This one entry, the word, "new infection", was written by Dr. Schilling himself.
From the 19th of December, 1943 onward, the entries were made by our clerk, who was a medical student from Luxembourg, by the name of Eugen Ost; and he, I think, made these entries until the very end.
Q. Witness, turn to the second card, the cack side; and it says on the right-hand side of the card, "Malaria Laboratory, Dachau 3K". Is that the title of Schilling's research laboratory?
A. Yes.
MR. HARDY: I have no further questions, your Honor. No, pardon me, sir. At this time I should like to introduce these two cards as Prosecution Exhibit Number 127. I might pass them up to your Honor so that you can see the original exhibit. Dr. Servatius informs me that we have given another document as Exhibit Number 127. In order to avoid confusion, will you change that exhibit Number to Exhibit Number 128? I have no further questions on redirect examination, your Honor.
THE PRESIDENT: Prosecution may proceed. The witness is excused. Step down from the stand.
MR. HARDY: May it please the Tribunal, the prosecution charges in the indictment-
THE PRESIDENT: At this time the Tribunal will recess for fifteen minutes.
(A recess was taken).
THE PRESIDENT: The Tribunal is again in session.
MR. HARDY: May it please the Tribunal, the prosecution charges in the indictment that the defendants Karl Brandt, Handloser, Rostock, Schroeder, Gebhardt, Rudolf Brandt, Mrugowsky, Seivers, Schaefer, BeckerFreyseng and Beiglbock are charged with special responsibility for and participation in the sea-water experiments set forth in Count 2, Paragraph 6, sub-paragraph G and Count 3, Paragraph 11. These experiments were also conducted at the Dachau Concentration Camp during the Summer and Fall of 1944. I shall turn now to Document No. 442, which is on page one of your Honor's Document Book, which has been previously offered as Prosecution Exhibit No. 33. Pardon me a moment, sirs. Change that exhibit number, your Honor, to Exhibit No. 129. This is an affidavit of the defendant Rodolf Brandt. I shall read the affidavit:
"I, Rudolf Emil Brandt, being duly sworn, depose and state:
"1) I am the same Rudolf Brandt who already on 30 August 1946 swore to an affidavit concerning the low-pressure experiments which have been conducted on human beings at the Dachau concentration camp. Furthermore, I swore certain other affidavits referring to medical experiments on human subjects.
"2) I am able for the same reasons set forth in paragraphs 1, 2 and 3 of my affidavit of the 30 August 1946 to state the following with reference to experiments conducted on human beings.
Experiments to Render Sea-water Drinkable "3) The experiments with sea-water were conducted for the benefit of the Luftwaffe during the summer of 1944 at the Dachau concentration camp.
German flyers were sometimes forced down at sea and were then without drinking water for considerable periods of time. The Luftwaffe had at its disposal two methods to make sea-water drinkable, one of them was extremely dangerous. Consequently General Schroeder, Chief of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe, requested Himmler to place experimental subjects at the disposal of the Luftwaffe at Dachau.
"4) Himmler approved Schroeder's request and the experiments were carried out. It was expected that some of the prisoners would die as a result of the experiments, but I do not remember whether deaths occurred. Schroeder and his colleague in the Luftwaffe, from Milch down must have known -- according to my opinion -- that these experiments as well as the low-pressure and freezing experiments, have not been conducted on volunteers only."
MR. HARDY: And now I respectfully request the Tribunal to turn to page 3 of your Document Book. This is Document No. 449, offered as Prosecution Exhibit No. 150. This is an affidavit of the defendant, Schroeder:
"I, Oskar Schroeder, being duly sworn, depose and state:
"1. I was born in Hannover on 6 February 1891. In 1910 I entered the Kaiser-Wilhelm Academy in Berlin to prepare for an army career in the Medical Corps. At the outbreak of the first world war, I was a non-commissioned medical officer and in 1916 after passing the state medical examination, I became second Lieutenant in the medical corps. During the first world war I worked as a medical officer in the infantry and after getting wounded I became adjutant to the corps medical officer. I continued to serve in the army after the war. During the years 1920 to 1925, I received specialized training in Koenigsberg and Wuerzburg. On 1 January, 1931, I was transferred to the office of the medical inspector of the army and worked as a physician. I also worked on military hospital and administrative matters. In May, 1935, my old friend and fellow student Hippke asked me to become his Chief of Staff in the newly established medical department of the Reich Ministry for Aviation. I remained as Chief of Staff to Hippke; who in 1937 became known under the title of Inspector of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe. In February 1940, I was appointed physician for Air Fleet II. In this position I had the rank of a Major General in the Medical Services. On 1 January 1944, I was appointed Hippke's successor and thus became Chief of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe. Simultaneously I was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant General in the Medical Service.
"2. The office of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe was continuously occupied with various kinds of scientific experiments. This scientific research included high altitude, freezing and seawater experiments which were conducted at the Dachau Concentration Camp.
To this category belong the experiments that Dr. Haagen conducted with typhus and other vaccines.
"3. Experiments to make seawater drinkable were conducted in Dachau during the summer of 1944. The Luftwaffe was interested in developing a method of making seawater drinkable since fliers had to make forced landings on the high seas. The navy was also interested in this problem. We had two methods of making seawater drinkable; one had been developed by Konrad Schaefer, the other was an invention of Berka."
I might add parenthetically, Your Honors, the Berka method was one which camuoflaged the taste of seawater but not its toxicity, in which sugar and a food extract was added, and in the Schaefer method a chemical process was used, which separated the salycilates from the water.
"Schaefer's method had several disadvantages which resulted from the bulk of the necessary equipment and from the lack of needed chemicals. Therefore the Inspectorate of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe as well as the Technical Bureau of the Reich Ministry for Aviation discussed the possibility of employing the Berka method.
"4. Dr. Von Sirany, a Luftwaffe physician in Vienna had conducted certain experiments on human beings with seawater which had been processed according to the Berka method. These experiments indicated that the use of Berkatin caused Diarrhea. The consulting expert on Aviation Medicine, Becker-Freysing, who had been my subordinate since January, 1944, (prior to this time Becker-Freyseng had been assistant to Anthony who was chief under Hippke) took the position that the experiments conducted by Sirany were not conclusive since the conditions were not as difficult as as the so on the high seas.
Professor Eppinger as well as Professor Houbner insisted that the Berka method be developed until it could be used.
"5. Therefore, a meeting was called in May 1944, in order to discuss what further stops should be taken. BeckerFreyseng and Schaeffer attended the meeting as representative of my office. As a result of the meeting it was decided to conduct further experiments on human beings supplied by the Reichsfuehrer SS, Himmler. Becker-Freseng drew up a letter which was sent to Himmler. In this letter, which I signed, I asked Himmler for test subjects. The latter consented to the execution of these experiments, and they were then conducted in Dachau under the direction of Eppinger's assistant, Dr. Beigelbeeck, who supervised the experiments for the Luftwaffe. If I remember correctly, gypsies who had been sentenced to death were used as test subjects.
"6. Dr. Eugen Haagen from the University of Strassburg conducted certain scientific investigations which included the development of typhus vaccines. Luftwaffe o Sanitarian, Brigadier General, Med. Corps, Gerhard Rose supervised Haagen's research work. Rose worked on all hygienic problems on order of the Luftwaffe, as well as on his own initiative. Rose had to be informed of all research work which consultant Hygienists, such as Haagen, conducted by order of the Luftwaffe. Becker-Freyseng was also familiar with these experiments. The above mentioned consulting hygienists of the Luftwaffe were paid on a war-time basis by the Luftwaffe.
"7. Haagen was a member of the Reich Office for Public Health prior to his appointment as professor to the University of Strassburg. His assistant was Dr. Dohmen. Dr. Heinz Kalk was consulting physician of the Luftwaffe for internal medicine. Dr. Kalk was Hilch's attending physician. Dr. Buechner is professor of pathology and was director of the Pathological Institute of the Luftwaffe in Freiburg, and was senior physician for practical pathological research of the Luftwaffe.
Dr. Zuchschwert was professor of surgery at Stressburg and consulting surgeon of of Air Fleet III. Dr. Egbert Kahnt was my Chief of Staff. His predecessor was Wullen.
"8. Karl Brandt, Handloser and Rostock were informed of the medical research work conductod by the Luftwaffe. Handloser was Chief of the Medical Service of the Armed Forces, and my superior in medical matters. Restock was Chief of the Office for Science and Research under Karl Brandt who first was Commissioner General of the Health Service and later Reich Commissioner. It was Restock's duty to avoid duplication in the distribution of assignments in the sphere of medical research. Therefore, all distribution of assignments had to pass through Restock's office. If, for instance, I assigned Koch or Haagen some research work, a copy would go to Restock to inform him of the nature of the work. Then Restock could tell whether that particular job had already been worked on by someone else or whether it could lead to worthwhile results. Copies of orders for research work also went to Handloser."
I now continue to page 6 of Your Honors' Document Book, which is Document No. 474, and will be offered as Prosecution Exhibit No. 131. I shall read the affidavits:
"I, Konrad Schaefer, being duly sworn, depose and states:
"1. I was born on 7 January 1911 at Huehlhausen, Alsace. I studied at the Universities of Munich, Heidelberg, Berlin and Innsbruck. I took my state medical examination in December 1935, at Heidelberg.
"2. In November 1941 I was drafted into the Luftwaffe, and ultimately obtained the rank of Assistenzarzt (2nd Lieuten ant Medical Service.)
The following year I was assigned to the Reich Institute for Aviation Medicine in Berlin. My principal work was medical research on sea emergencies, which included research for a method to make seawater potable. I worked out the theory of a process to make seawater potable, which was chemically developed by I. G. Farben. There was, however, another process under consideration by the Luftwaffe, called the Berka method.
"3. In May 1944 I was ordered by the Office of the Chief of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe to attend a meeting called for the purpose of considering further research on making seawater potable. Present were Becker-Freyseng, research advisor to Schroeder, Chief of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe, Christensen of the Technical bureau of the Reich ministry of Aviation, and a number of other persons, including representatives of the Navy. It was decided at this meeting to conduct experiments on concentration camp inmates with the Berka process, although it was generally admitted that the Berkatit seawater process seriously impairs the health after 7 days, and causes death after 12 days at the latest. It was further decided that the human experimental subjects were to be fed only seawater, processed by the Berka method, for a period of twelve days, k committee composed of Professor Eppinger" who, by the way, recently committed suicide," Dr. Becker-Freysend, a representative of the Technical Bureau and a representative of the Navy, was appointed for the purpose of deciding the conditions under which the experiments would be carried out.
"4. Seawater processed by the Berka method had already been tested on human beings by Dr. von Sirany at Vienna in the Spring of 1944. On orders of the office of the Chief of the Medical Services I looked over Sirany's experiments with Berkatit, and pointed out that the persons upon whom Sirqny experimented showed diarrhea symptoms.
I personally gave Becker-Freyseng a copy of my report which was meant for Schroedor, and therefore Becker-Freyseng and Schroeder must have known that the Berka Method was very dangerous. BeckerFreyseng and I were of the opinion that Sirany's experiments were not consummated since they did not simulate actual conditions of a sea emergency.
"5. Before the experiments were started at Dachau, another conference took place in which among others, Prof. Huebner, Prof. Eppinger, Becker-Freyseng, Borka and I took part. This conference was held in June, 1944. Heubner and Eppinger were of the opinion that it was impossible to judge tho value of the Berka method in advance, and that experimentation was necessary.
"6. The experiments were carried out at the Dachau concentration camp by Dr. Beiglbeck, in the summer of 1944. In October 1944, Beiglbeck reported on these experiments at a meeting which took place in a bunker near the Zoological Gardens in Berlin. Schroeder, Becker-Freyseng and I were present. It is possible that Dr. Schuster, an air Force physician who worked at the Luftwaffe Medical Academy in Prague, was also present. Beiglbeck showed those present at the meeting numerous charts of analyses of the urine and blood of the experimental objects who were given only Berkatit to drink. Photographs and films were also presented and various groups of experiments were discussed. On the basis of this report I estimated that 20 to 40 persons were used for those experiments, which were carried out during a period of seven to twelve days. Dr. BEIGLBECK also reported that the experiments had resulted in swelling of the liver and nervous symptoms. Delirium and mental disturbances also appeared. As a result of this meeting, it was decided that the Berka process was absolutely of no use to the Luftwaffe.
"7. It was an open secret in the highest medical circles that the Berks method was used on inmates of concentration camps. It was also known that seawater processed by the Berka method was substantially the same as seawater and was, therefore, exceedingly dangerous. I was always of this opinion, and personally advised Schrooder, Becker-Freyseng, Anthony, Christensen, Berka and Schickler of this, my opinion."
This affidavit obviously, Your Honors, shows the complete knowledge of the Defendant Schaefer in connection with the seawater experiments and indicates that he participated in the conferences prior to the actual experimentation; that at that time he contributed his little bit to each part of the conferences and later still, after the experimentation had been completed, he listened to the report and the results by the Defendant Beiglbeeck. The documentary evidence which I will present in a moment shall well establish the arrangements and conferences which took place in order to formulate the necessary plans for the subsequent experiments on the inmates at Dachau concentration camp.
I now ask the Honorable Tribunal to turn to page 9 of the seawater document book. This is Document No. NO-184 and is offered as Prosecution Exhibit No. 133. This is a letter -- pardon me, Your Honors, that is Prosecution Exhibit No. 132. This is a letter from the Technical Bureau of the RIM to Himmler through Rudolf Brandt. I will read the document. This document is stamped "Secret" and has on the top "Mail Receipt Stamp of Personnel Staff of Reichsfuehrer SS"; on the letterhead of Reich Minister of Aviation and Supreme Commander of the Luftwaffe", from the Terminal Office. Another note "(Please give in your answer to the above reference, date and short summary." The subject: "Rendering seawater potable". Addressed to the Reichsfuehrer SS and Chief of the German Police, Personal Staff, Berlin. with reference to the interoffice conference between Colonel Engineer Christensen and Hauptsturmfuehrer Engineer Dohle, regarding the above mentioned matter, it is announced that two processes have been worked out by the office to render seawater potable: 1.) The I.G. method, using mainly silver nitrate. For this process quite a large plant needs to be set up, which would require about 200 tens of iron and cost about 250,000 RM. The amount of the product needed by the Luftwaffe and Navy, requires 2.3 to 3 tons of pure silver a month. Besides, the water which is rendered potable by this preparation has to be sucked through a filter, in order to avoid absorbtion of precipitated chemicals. These facts make the application of this process practically impossible.
2) The second process which was worked out is the so-called Berka Method. According to this method the salts present in the seawater are not precipitated, but are so treated that in drinking, they are not disagreeable to the taste. They pass through the body without eversaturating it with salts and without causing an undue thirst. No special plants are necessary for producing preparations needed for this process; nor do the preparations themselves consist cf scarce materials. It can be presumed that this method will be introduced in the Luftwaffe and the Navy in a short time. Now that German technical science has actually succeeded in rendering seawater potable for people in distress at sea, in accordance with the above, the knowledge as to how foreign countries intend to solve this problem is no longer of prime importance. Naturally the office is very much interested in ascertaining how above all the United States has solved this problem, and it is requested that this information be sought, without, however compromising any person or any office too much. Should the office there be interested in the Berka-Method, lot us know. Samples can then be delivered The cube dispensed is not a preparation to render seawater potable, but a mill cube such as is already familiar to the offices." The signature of this letter is illegible for translation purposes.
The next document, Document No: NO-177, which is offered as Prosecution Exhibit 133, is a document which contains the reports on two meetings to plan the seawater research. This document is dated 23 May 1944, Technical Office, and there appears on the front page of the document a handwritten note: "Just received for reading given to Reichsfuehrer", and then the initials R. Br., meaning Rudolf Brandt; then an arrow in a point referring to the Reichsarzt SS -- that is the office of Grawits. This document is the minutes of the conference in regard to methods for making seawater drinkable, conference on 20 May 1944. "Present:
1.) Ministerial Councillor Riecke, High Command of the Navy;
2.) Lieutenant Colonel Dr. Liesche, High Command of the Navy;
3.) Squadron Physician Dr. Helpap, High Command of the Navy;
4.) Captain-Navy Dr. Laurens, Admiral of the Submarines;
5.) Lieutenant Commander Schoffland, High Command of the Navy;
6.) Lieutenant Schoenfeld, High Command of the Navy;
7.) Councilor Schulz, High Command of the Navy;
8.) Commander Kugelmann, High Command of the Navy;
9.) Councilor Haustein, High Command of the Navy;
10.) Colonel Eng. Christenson, German Air Ministry;
11). Captain Dr. Schickler, RLM;
12.) Captain Berka, E-Tra, of Vienna;
13.) Captain Dr. Becker-Freising, Chief Medical Service, Luftwaffe;
14.) MCO Dr. Schefer, Medical Research Institute for Aviation.
"On 19 May 1944 a preliminary discussion was hold at the German Air Ministry. Present were the following persons: Colonel Christensen, Captain Dr. Schickler, Captain Berka, Major Jewerrex, Chief of the Medical Service, Captain Dr. Becker-Freising, Dr. Schaefer and a Mr. Pahl.
"At this meeting Captain Dr. Becker-Freising reported on the clinical experiments conducted by Colonel Dr. von Sirany, and came to the final conclusion that he did not consider them as being unobjectionable and conclusive enough for a final decision. The Chief of the Medical Service at this time, Defendant Schroeder, is convinced that, if the Berka method is used, damage to health has to be expected not later than 6 days after taking Berkatit, which damage will result in permanent injuries to health and -- according to the opinion of N.C.O, Dr. Schaefer -- will finally result in death after not later than 12 days."
I may insert here that Defendant Schroeder and Defendant Schaefer had expressed an opinion, prior to the time that such experiments were carried cut that such experiments would be danger us to the health of the subjects used. Schaefer went so far as to say "will finally result in death after not later than 12 days". I will continue to read the document.
"External symptoms are to be expected such as drainage, diarrhea, convulsions, hallucinations, and finally death. As a result of the preliminary discussion it was agreed to arrange new series of experiments of short duration.
A commission was to be set up for the arrangement of these series of experiments. This commission should be set up together with the High Command of the Navy at the conference on 20 May 1944.
1.) a) Persons, to be given sea water processed with the Berka method
b) Persons, to be given ordinary drinking water
c) Persons, without any drinking water at all
d) Persons, given to drink according to the present method (0.71 of drinking water for 4 persons and 4 days) During the duration of the experiments all persons receive only an emergency sea diet such as provided for persons in distress at sea.
Duration of experiments: Maximum 6 days.
In addition to these experiments a further experiment should be conducted as follows: Persons nourished with sea water and Berkatit, and as diet also the emergency sea rations.
Duration of experiments: 12 days Since in the opinion of the Chief of the Medical Service permanent injuries to health, that is, the death of the experimental subjects has to be expected, as experimental subjects such persons should be used as will be put at the disposal by Reichsfuehrer SS.
Mr. Pahl reports that due to the latest improvements in the I.G. (Farben concern) method smaller quantities of iron needed for the construction of the manufacturing equipment, than were originally provided and estimated by I.G.. Mr. Pahl reports further that if the Wefatit equipment which has to be constructed could not be used later for the manufacturing of the sea water preparation another use would be quite possible."
I will turn to page 15, a continuation of the same document. This is Professor Eppinger of Vienna, representative of the Chief of the medical Service of the Air Force, representative of the German Air Ministry, Representative of the High Command of the Navy.
"Captain Dr. Becker -Freising is being contemplated as representative of the Chief of the Medical Service. Captain Dr. Schickler and. Captain Berka as representatives of G.L. and Professor Orzichowski as representative of the High Command of the Navy. It was decided that Berlin, German Air Ministry should be the meeting place of the commission. (The originally proposed meeting place was changed from Munich to Berlin after a telephone call of Dr. Becker-Freising's); and that the of the meeting should be 25 May 1944, 10:00 AM. It was decided that Dachau was to be the place where the experiment were conducted.
"Captain Dr. Becker-Freising would invite Professor Eppinger and would get in touch with the Reichsfuehrer SS. The High Command of the Navy would invite Professor Orzichewski."