During this time I was in contact with Dr. GENZKEN and can therefore make the following statements:
"1. In spring 1943 a commission of Italian physicians paid a visit to Germany to inspect the medical institutions of the Waffen-SS. Dr. GENZKEN accompanied this commission on its trip through Germany and to the eastern front. At the end of this trip he went to Karlsbad for a few-weeks' treatment. SS-Sturmbannfuehrer GROSSMANN accompanied him on this journey. Owing to the strain of the treatment Dr. GENZKEN was for a time not completely fit for work after his return to Berlin, I think it unlikely therefore that Dr. GENZKEN took part in the Osttagung (eastern congress) of the medical officers in the Berlin Military Academy for Medicine, on 24 - 26 May 1943, especially as Dr. GENZKEN never mentioned anything afterwards about any participation in this congress.
"2. The medical scientific research-work and planning of the SS came exclusively under the office of the Reichsarzt Dr. Grawitz, not under the SS Operational Main Office or even the medical office of the Waffen-SS under Dr. Genzken. On every possible occasion Dr. Genzken stressed the fact that his office dealt exclusively with matters concerning the troops, matters which never included scientific tasks and plans of the SS. I do not know, and consider it completely out oi the question that the medical office of the Waffen-SS would have ordered or even suggested printing up anexperimental station for typhus research within Buchenwald concentration camp. When in 1942 an experimental station was put up for purposes of typhus research in block 46 of Duchenwald concentration camp, this was entirely the affair of the Reichsarzt and was neither the affair nor the task of Dr. Genzken. It is therefore also out of the question that the SS-Operational Main Office or the Medical office of the Waffen-SS were the superior authorities for such a research institution of the Reichsarzt within a concentration camp, or that they were even involved.
"I know Dr. Ding superficially as a member of the Hygiene Institute. I knew of no reason why Dr. Genzken should have arranged for Ding's transfer to Buchenwald. I did not hear anything in our office, either officially or unofficially shout typhus experiments on prisoners in Buchenwald, and even less that a large number of prisoners had died under such experiments. There was never any talk, either official or private, about deliberately infecting the prisoners. I am absolutely convinced that Dr. Genzken was not informed about such details, otherwise the subject of such typhus experiments would certainly have come up in the course of the innumerable conversations which I had with him since September 1943. I have never personally seen any scientific reports which Ding allegedly sent to the Hygiene Institute. I know nothing else on this subject and consider at completely out of the question that any correspondence took place between Ding in his capacity as Head of his research station and the Medical Office of the Waffen-SS (Sanitaetsamt der Waffen SS). All that we knew was that Dr. Ding's Institute in Buchenwald was manufacturing typhus vaccina from rabbit lungs or eggs which had been injected.
I think it quite possible that a station of this type for producing serum came under the organization of the Hygiene Institute.
"Nothing was known within the Medical Office of the Waffen-SS (Sanitaetsamt der Waffen SS) concerning any sulfenamide experiments made in the Ravensbrueck concentration camp, nor was anything known of the fact that, in winter 1943 - 1944, Dr. Mrugowsky and Dr. Ding allegedly made experiments with poisoned shells and healing experiments on burns caused by phospheric incendiary bombs. I am convinced that Dr. Genzken knew nothing about these experiments.
"The personal relationship between Dr. Mrugowsky and Dr. Genzken was cool and was not calculated to encourage any exchange of ideas after Mrugowsky had been promoted Chief Hygienist on the staff of the Reichsarzt and after the last shreds cf an official connection had disappeared. "3. With regard to Dr. Genzken's relationship with Himmler and Grawitz I can make the following remarks.
"I know that Dr. Genzken wanted to have a theosophic pamphlet printed in the spring(/)."
Obviously the witness doesn't knew when that took place. From the testimony of the witness Genzken it can be seen it was in the spring of 1944.
"Himmler, in an abusive letter of reply, refused to give his permission for this and warned him that he could only have the pamphlet printed if he no longer belonged to the Waffen-SS. Thereupon Dr. Genzken wanted to resign his resignation, however, was refused. I also recollect that Dr. Genzken repeatedly spoke of the following incident: 'in the course of a conference of technical advisors will Juettnar, the Chief of SS Operational Main Office, in 1941, an alleged infection with veneral disease of the Warshaw Garrison was mentioned. In a written report, which was read out, Himmler spoke of SS-Physicians lacking in honor and sense of duty. Genzken jumped up from his seat at these words, and, in the presence of 40 SS-leaders, said that he would not allow himself to be humiliated, even by a Heinrich Himmler. On this occasion as well, he tendered his resignation and again it was refused.
"I have known Dr. Karl Genzken since 1941, and have been closely connected with him since 1943. I often not him both officially and inofficially. His words and actions always showed a high medical ethos. I am absolutely convinced that he never engaged in any kind of illegal actions or crimes against humanity, and that he never allowed any such actions without objection.'
"In the years during which I was closely connected with Dr. Genzken, Dr. Grawitz and Dr. Genzken were constantly on bad terms with each other. The Reichsarzt SS, who, with regards to Medical Matters of the Wallen-SS, only had the right to make inspections and to give professional orders, was only informed of the affairs of the Medical Office by Dr. Genzken, in very urgent cases.
" Grawitz would never have tolerated any unauthorized person, in this case Dr. Genzken, to meddle with his affairs. Characteristic of the Reich physician was his frequently repeated statement, if any subject which had nothing to do with troops came into a discussion, (e.g. conference with the commissar of the Chief of Health matters, Prof. Brandt, regarding the transfer of doctors for the Waffen-SS): 'Leave that to me, it is a highly diplomatic matter, you will make a muddle.'
"In the consequence Dr. Genzken dealt exclusively with the medical needs of the field and home units of the Waffen-SS, including hospitals of the Waffen-SS, in the field and at home."
DR. MERKEL: The next document will be Genzken No. 6, which is on page 13 of my document book. This will be exhibit No. 10 and I quote: This is an affidavit of Max Peters:
"I was Chief of the Main Department for Personnel Matters in the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, from September 1943 to January 1945. Scientific research and planning did not come under the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, but was under Reichsartz Dr. Grawitz. It is quite out of the question that the SS Operational Main Office, and with at the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, was a superior office ever an Institute for Scientific Research of the Reichsarzt, in the Buchenwald Concentration Camp.
"During my activity in the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, I knew nothing of the fact that Dr. Ding sent regular reports at regular intervals to the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, concerning his activity at Buchenwald. Nothing concerning these experiments was ever mentioned in the course of official meetings, or another occasions; the office in particular was never informed that a great number of prisoners were taken in, or that in consequence of intentional infection, prisoners died under these experiments."
I next offer the Document Genzken No. 8, which is on page 17 of my document book, and this will become Genzken Exhibit No. 11. This is an affidavit of Herbert Grossman, and reads: I quote:
"I was technical medical leader and personal technical advisor for the medical personnel on the staff of the medical chief of the Waffen SS, Dr. Karl Genzken, from 1942 until the end of the war. From my knowledge in the situation, I can make the following statement:
"Scientific research and planning came under the office of the Reichsarzt SS and Police Dr. Grawitz. If, therefore, an experimental station for typhus was established within Buchenwald concentration camp in 1942, it must have been set up by the Reichsarzt SS; the appointment of the head of this office must also have been made by him and not by Dr. Genzken. Relations between Dr. Grawitz and. Dr. Genzken were rather strained, Court due to the fact that Dr. Grawitz was anxiously and jealously interested in preserving his competences untouched in every way.
"I knew nothing of the fact that during meetings of technical advisers, or on ether occasions, typhus experiments in Buchenwald were discussed officially or unofficially in our office in Berlin. Consequently, nothing was known with regard to the fact that inmates were deliberately exposed to infection and that such inmates died. Personally, I have never seen or heard of any scientific correspondence rehearing research work done by Dr. Ding.
"I never heard anything officially nor unofficially during my service in the medical office, with regard to sulfonamide experiments made in Ravensbrueck..."
I now offer Document No. 3 which is on page 5 of the document book and this will became Genzken Exhibit No. 12. This is an affidavit of Oskar Hock and reads as follows and I quote:
"As far as I can remember I worked as chief of the medical service in the medical office of the Waffen SS from the beginning of May 1940 until about 20 June 1940 and with certainty from the beginning of September 1940 until 15 February 1941, an from 15 July 1943 to 1 September 1943. During that period my field of work comprised the supervision of the troops' medical service at the front and at home, field hospital affairs, medical statistics, the setting up of new medical units for the front troops, as, well as the troops' welfare affairs. From 15 April 1944 until about 15 August 1944 I was entrusted solely with inspection duties in the medical office of the Waffen SS (inspections of field hospitals and other duties within the troops' medical service). During these periods Dr. Karl Genzken was chief of the medical office of the Waffen SS, and thus my immediate superior.
"For the time of my activity in the medical office of the Waffen SS I can make the following statements:
"During my activity as Division Doctor - it may have been towards the end of 1943 or in the first half of 1943, I learned that the lack of typhus vaccines would soon be ****come by the SS producing vaccines of their own in Buchenwald. Details about the production of the vaccines, however, or even about precoding experiments on living human beings, I found out neither at that time nor later during my activity in the medical office. I never heard that the Typhus Institute at Buchenwald was supposed to have been under the official supervision of the medical office of the Waffen-SS. I do not think it likely either-without knowing it exactly -- that the medical office of the superior office of this institute, for research and planning in the medical field was exclusively a matter of the Reichsarzst SS.
"The hygienic institute of the Waffen SS, with the inner organization of which I was never acquainted, worked only for the Waffen SS in the strict moaning of the name, but also for all SS offices beyond the actual Waffen SS and for SS formations subordinate to the Reichsarzt SS, as for instance the SS Main Offices, Higher SS and police leaders, intermediary office for racial Germans etc. The same is true for the main medical camp. During the reorganization of the offices "Reichsarzt SS" and "Medical Office of the Waffen SS" on 1 September, 1943, hygienic institute and medical camps were immediately subordinated to the office "Reichsarzt SS and Police."
Sulfenamide, ph*oonl, phl*gmene and poison experiments did not become known to me during my activity in the medical office of the Waffen SS nor otherwise. I am convinced that only quite a small circle of persons know s . olin -.O'*.. ac 1 caocrrmonts en livln. baa n -oin s ana only insfi..r as these persons were needed directly for the execution of the orders given by the Reichsfuehrer SS or the Reichsarzt SS.
DDuring my activity in the medical office of the Waffen SS 1 did not hear of an SS physician named Ellenbeck who is said to have worked with preserved blood. Neither *** I ever hear of him otherwise.
"There was no department for concentration camps in the medical office of the Waffen SS during my period of activity there.
"I could see on the basis of several private conversations with Dr. Genzken that Dr. Genzken was by no means as for to keep his position under all circumstances, but rather he repeatedly considered resigning due to sharp controversies with the Reichsarzt, and that he even wanted to report his wish to resign to the chief of the SS operational main office, Juettner. Whether it over came to that, I do not know.
"There was a general antipathy means the SS leaders of the medical office pf the Waffen SS against the Reichsarzt because of his entire personality. There were also frequent differences because the Reichsarzt SS repeatedly tried tc interfere with the military competences of the chief of the medical office. On several occasions Dr. Genzken made remarks to me against Mr. Grawitz and his method of administration. I remember that the complained to Juettner about Grawitz.
"I also know that there was talk that Grawitz attenmpted a to extract infomation from expert assistants from to medical office of the Waffen SS who came to see him. In defense, he is said to have ordered those export assistants net to report art this to Dr. Genzken.
4 Court No. 1 "Immediately after the end of the campaign in the West I met Dr. Ding.
During the campaign in the wost he was adjutant to a division physician. In the circles of comrades there was at that time much talk about letters wild Ding wrote to his wife, reporting about his special ***** during the campaign in the West, deeds which he actually never performed. I personally considered him to be a person with an extraorlinary need for recognition. When useful for his purposes he wasn't scrupulous with the use of the truth and was inclined teem exagerations. From my activity in the medical office to exagerations. I do not know that Ding was there in the Main Section Chief for Special Hygienic Tasks.
' As far as I know, such a section for special task, did not exist at all."
And I further ask that I be allowed to offer Genzken No. 5, on page. 10 of my document book, which is going to be Genzken Exhibit No. 13. This is an affidavit of Dr. Liebau, and reads as follows and I quote:
"From the end of May 1940 until August/September 1942 I was working as personnel advisor in the Medical Office of the Waffen SS. At that time Dr. Karl Genzken was the head of the Medical Office of the Waffen SS. I belonged to that circle of persons who had the closest official connection with Dr. Genzken. I was continually in contact with him. I also frequently met Dr. Genzken unofficially. Our offices were in the same building. On account of my appointment as personnel expert in the medical office of the Waffen SS, and because of my close official and private contact with Dr. Genzken, I can make the following statement concerning the period from the end of May 1940 until August/September 1942:
"Problems of scientific research and planning in the medical sphere within the jurisdiction of the Waffen SS were dealt with exclusively by the Reichsarzt-SS Dr. Grawitz, and not by the SS Operational Main Office or the medical Office of the Waffen SS, which was under the supervision of Dr. Genzken. In the same way every scientific publication in this field on the part of the physicians of the Waffen SS had to be approved by the Reichsarzt-SS Dr. Grawitz. Had scientific research work and planning been within the sphere of activity the Medical Office of the Waffen SS would have had a corresponding department, and this would have been planned and set up. But there was no section or department for scientific research and planning within the Medical Office of the Waffen SS. In addition to the adjutant's office and the special fields "Personnel and Administration" the following special fields were handled by the Medical Office of the Waffen SS Medical Service, Dental Service, Pharmaceutical Service and Hygienic Service. Their tasks consisted exclusively of **** c** services of the members of the Waffen SS at the front and at home. There was a department for a medical service in the concentration camps within the Medical Office of the Waffen SS during my appointment.
Thus, as far as I remember, I have neither seen any correspondence on research and experiments on concentration camp prisoners during my appointment with the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, nor have I heard of any. Dr. Genzken, whom I also often met outside the office - as I have already mentioned above - has never talked to me of experiments and medical tests on human beings, as far as I remember. I never heard anything about experiments with sulfonamides or of typhus experiments on concentration camp prisoners, during my activity with the Medical Office of the Waffen SS. Dr. Genzken was highly esteemed by the physicians of the Waffen SS and was generally considered to be 'the father of the SS physicians'.
"Because of my position as a personnel expert in the Medical Office of the Waffen SS I know that Dr. Genzken had controversies with the Reichsarzt-SS Dr. Grawitz and that strained relations existed at times between Dr. Genzken and Dr. Grawtiz, due chiefly as far as I can remember to a difference of opinion concerning the method of dealing with ordinances and decisions made by the Reichsfuehrer SS Himmler, or his staff. As far as I remember it concerned, among other things, personnel and disciplinary questions. Furthermore, I remember that in abut 1942 Dr. Genzken met Juettner, the chief of the Operational Main Office, for the purpose of settling a discord between Dr. Genzken and Dr. Grawitz. As far as I remember the limits of their fields of action were clearly divided once again, presumably as a result of this conversation. Finally, I remember an incident concerning a unit of the Waffen SS stationed in Poland, which ** ***** to be infected with venereal disease. The incident worried us considerably, as physicians of the Waffen SS. I think that I remember that during a meeting of the consultant experts in the SS Operational Main Office a letter of Himmler was read, in which the reputation of the physicians of the Waffen SS was severely attacked, on account of this alleged state of affairs. Furthermore, I remember that Dr. Genzken is said to have declared on that occasion that he would not permit his reputation to be injured even by Meinrich Himmler. I myself was not present at this meeting of the consultant advisers, later on, i.e. in 1943, I payed several private visits to Dr. Genzken and I know that he kept himself more and more in the background both officially and privately, with regard to his relation to Dr. Grawitz."
I further offer document Genzken No. 16 which is on page 35 of the Document Book. This will become Exhibit Genzken No. 14. This is an affidavit made by the repeatedly mentioned Carl Blemenreuter. I quote:
"I was chief of the Office XV (Chemical-Pharmaceutical Service) in the Medical Office of the Waffen SS until 31 August 1943, and from then until the end of the war Medical Supplies Officer (Zeugmeister) of the SS at the Office of the Reich Physician SS and Police Dr. Grawitz.
"On the basis of my years of activity with the defendant Dr. Carl Gensken, I can testify as follows:
"There was no department for scientific research no planning in Medical Office of the Waffen SS. There was only such a section in the Office of the Reich Physician SS and Police. The Medical Office of the Waffen SS in the SS Fuehrungshauptamt could therefore not have been the superior office of a scientific research institute of the Reich Physician SS in a concentration camp, as the Medical Service in the concentration camps was subordinate to the Reich Physician SS and Police, through the directing physician at the Inspectorate of Concentration Camps.
"As far as I can remember, the typhus business was handled as follows:
"As there was a shortage of typhus vaccine, it was decided as early as 1941 to reduce this preparations at the Hygiene Institute ana to establish a special laboratory in Buchenwald.
"Dr. Ding was made the head of this laboratory by Professor Mrugowsky. The exclusive reason why this laboratory was not installed until the beginning of 1943 was that Dr. Ding contracted typhus in 1944 and, after his recovery, was ordered to Paris until the end of November 1942. In 1942 Grawitz induced Himmler to order the establishment of an experimental station for typhus research in the Concentration Camp Buchenwald and made Dr. Ding the head of this station. The beginning of activities at this station was not made known to me, since it was a purely medical concentration camp matter.
"The typhus vaccine produced at the Buchenwald laboratory was sent to central medical warehouses for distribution, in agreement with the Hygiene Institute.
"I never heard anything about the experiments at the Buchenwald experimental station. As far as I could observe, these matters were not discussed in the Medical Office or the office of the Reich physician; in particular, experiments with intentional infecting of human beings were never discussed.
"Nor did I ever hear anything at the Medical Office or at the office of the Reich Physician about sulfonamide experiments research in Ravensbruck.
"I never saw scientific reports or any correspondence concerning these research experiments.
"I have known the defendant Genzken since 1936. It was a pleasure to cooperate with him in his mainly organizational activities the military medical service of the Waffen SS. I can state from this my work and cooperation that he was never interested in scientific research and certainly not in experiments with concentration camp prisoners; lack of time alone in view of our extensive organizational activity, made it impossible to engage in scientific research problems.
"Furthermore, I knew of the tension which existed between Grawitz and the defendant Genzken, which caused him to keep out of the scope of Grawitz activities. We never, either officially or personally, discussed experiments on concentration camp prisoners.
"Genzken had no ambition for advancement-within the medical service of the SS. On the contrary, he often considered leaving his job in favor of a younger SS physician with experience at the front."
The next document will be Genzken No. 17 which can be found on page 38 of my document book.
Mr. President, I think the English translation does not bear the number 17 and I ask you to excuse this oversight. It is on page 38 of the Document Book. Genzken No. 17 becomes Exhibit Genzken No. 15. This is an affidavit by Rudolf Tonndorff. I quote:
"From March 1942 until the end of the war I was in charge of the administration in the Medical Office of the Waffen SS. At that time Dr. Genzken was Chief of the Medical Office of the Waffen SS and therefore my immediate superior. As long as I was in the Medical Office of the Waffen SS I never heard anything about medical experiments on concentration camp inmates, nor did I see any documents on this subject.
Scientific research and planning, as far as I know, were never the job of the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, but the exclusive job of the Reich Physician SS, Dr. Grawitz. I never heard anything about a typhus experimental station or a vaccine production plant in Block 46 and 50 respectively at the Buchenwald concentration camp.
"I was in charge of the military hospital wards, of office IV of the SS Fuehrungshauptamt, while Standartenfuehrer Mueller was in charge of the independent military hospitals. Dr. Genzken was the superior of the military hospitals wards and the military hospitals.
"In all the wards of which I was in charge there were chiefs of the pay roll office - those were trained officers and non-commissioned officers in the medical administrative service who were in charge of the economic interests of the various offices, and who had to balance their accounts with me. If the "Typhus Research Station" in the Buchenwald concentration camp had been under the Hygiene Institute of the Waffen SS in Berlin and thus under the Medical Office of the Waffen SS it would have had to have such a pay-roll officer, which was never the case.
"I never paid out nor instructed anybody to pay out any budget funds or other copies for scientific experiments or for institutes which served this purpose, because those scientific research matters did not concern the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, but were attended to exclusively by the office of the Reich Physician SS and Police, Dr. Grawitz.
"It was generally known in the Medical Office of the Waffen SS that there were differences between Dr. Genzken and Dr. Grawitz. I don't know any details about this however.
"During my work in the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, Dr. Genzken and I cooperated perfectly, and there never arose any differences of any kind between us. Dr. Genzken was considered to be a just chief in the Medical Office and was generally liked."
The last document I ask you to accept - Document Genzken No. 15 page 51 of the document book, which will become Exhibit Genzken No. 16. This is an affidavit made by the superior of the defendant Dr. Jeuttner who was chief of the SS Operation Main Office.
THE PRESIDENT: Just a moment, counsel, what is the page in the English Document Book?
DR. MERKEL: Page 51, your Honors.
THE PRESIDENT: What is the number of that?
DR. MERKEL: It bears the number 15, Genzken No. 15.
THE PRESIDENT: Genzken Exhibit number what?
DR. MERKEL: Exhibit No. 16, Document 15, Exhibit No. 16.
THE PRESIDENT: You had Exhibit No. 16 for Genzken Document No. 14. What number did you give Genzken No. 14?
DR. MERKEL: Genzken No. 14 was already submitted. It had Exhibit No. 4. I submitted that when examining the witness. That was Genzken No. 4.
JUDGE SEBRING: Would not Genzken No. 15 be Genzken Exhibit No. 15 as well. If not, what is Genzken Exhibit No. 15?
DR. MERKEL: No. Document Genzken No. 15 will become Exhibit No. 1.
JUDGE SEBRING: What will be Exhibit No. 15?
DR. MERKEL: That was Document Genzken No. 17 which I just read. are concerned with a affidavit by Hans Juettner who was the direct chief and superior of the defendant Genzken and chief of the Operational Main Office and I quote:
"From August 1940 (foundation of the SS-Fuehrungshauptamt) SS Operational Main Office until 30 January 1943 I was chief of staff of the SS-Fuehrungshauptamt. Until then Himmler himself was chief of the SS-Fuehrungshauptamt. From 30 January 1943 on I was chief of the SS-Fuehrungshauptamt.
"From July 1940 on I was the military superior of Dr. Genzken, the Chief of the Medical Office of the Waffen SS.
"Dr. Genzken's position as Chief of the Medical Office of the Waffen SS was the position of a troop commander of the medical units of the Waffen SS He was solely responsible for their training, the establishment of new units and their equipment. He was in charge of replacing personnel losses in field troops. For this purpose he had under him a medical reserve unit, several medical schools, military hospitals at home, and, to a limited extent, the SS medical academy. In these units recruits were trained as medical personnel and older Medical enlisted personnel were trained for ratings. In this office he also had to collaborate as an organizer in the different war dispositions of the medical units. Furthermore he was responsible for troop hygiene.
"Dr. Genzken never had anything to do with medical research or scientific experiments, as such things did not belong to his sphere or duties. By reason of a definite written command of Himmler, the Medical Office of the Waffen SS was excluded from scientific research and planning. The latter functions, by reason of this order, was the exclusive responsibility of Reich Physician SS Dr. Grawitz, who was a professor and scientist.
"Dr. Genzken was introduced to me by Dr. Grawitz as successor to Dr. Dermietzel in the summer of 1940. Dr. Dermietzel had to resign owing to personal differences with Dr. Grawitz. In Dr. Genzken I discovered an experienced, seasoned troop medical officer, who appealed to me on account of has open and frank nature. Good cooperation was established. On the other hand, I was quite certain from the very beginning that differences world evenon the arise with the Reich Physician SS, Dr. Grawitz, when Grawitz noticed that Genzken and I had confidence in each other. Grawitz was a morbidly ambitious and vain man who perpetually imagined that his position as Reich physician SS was imperiled if another higher medical officer had an established position of his own. Consequently Grawitz invariably attempted to undermine the positions of such officers by frivolous utterances to Himmler It is known that Himmler unfortunately was deceived by such than a, I can remember that in 1941 Himmler had selected Dr. Genzken as the successor of Grawitz, whose position had become insecure. I informed Dr. Genzken of this intention of Himmler. Dr. Genzken objected energetically, because he preferred to remain in the troop medical service, as he did not consider himself suitable for scientific research. Grawitz apparently somehow or other get mind of this. The result was that the relations between him and. Dr. Genzken became rather strained.
"Another case comes back to me, when I had to ask Grawitz and Genzken to came to see me in order to get them to wake up their differences, because Grawitz had interferred in Dr. Genzken's military authority. Remember quite distinctly that Grawitz and I had rather a stormy encounter on the occasion. Once again the respective competencies of the Reich Physician SS and the Medical office of the Waffen-SS were clearly defined. It was laid down that the Reich Physician SS had only inspectorial and professional jurisdiction ever the troops, whereas the Medical Office of the Waffen SS alone could give orders. On the other hand, all research work came exclusively under the Reich Physician SS; here, the Chief of the Medical Office of the Waffen SS, Dr. Genzken, had no authority to issue orders.
"When Dr. Genzken took up his position in the SS Fuehrungschauptamt he enjoyed the confidence of Himmler, so much so that, as mentioned above, Himmler intended to make Genzken the Reich Physician SS. Through the machinations of Grawitz and whisperings in the ear of Himmler, the situadeteriorated considerably and became so acute that in 1942 Dr. Genzken ask to be released iron his post. He thought that he could no longer enjoy the confidence of the Reichsfuekrer. The reasons for this were repreaches which Himmler was asking against medical officers for neglect of their supervisory duties in preventing venereal disease. Himmler so far forget himself in this matter as, on some groundless suspicion, to describe the medical officers as unprincipled and lacking in a sense of duty. Dr. Genzkel saw himself compelled to declare at a Conference of consultants of the SS Fuehrungshaupsamt, in the presence of about 40 SS Leaders. 'I do not permit any Heinrich Himmler to take away prisoner.'
"I know absolutely nothing about medical experiments carried out on concentration camp inmates, and Dr. Genzken never discussed such nents with me.
"I know nothing about an order from Himmler to Dr. Genzken through me, to set up an institute for typhus research in the Concentration Camp Buchenwald. If such an order was actually given, it could only have been given by Himmler to Grawitz and from the latter to the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office - in view of the prevailing state of affairs for a corporation in the budget.
This Main Office alone was empowered to set up a budget conjointly with the Reich Finance Ministry." And this brings me to the end of my submission of evidence.
JUDGE SEBRING: Doctor, will you go back to your document book and advise us what exhibit number you have given to Genzken Exhibibit No. 4 on page 8?
DR. MERKEL: You are quite right, Mr. President, I beg you to excuse me. I am not submittting that document.
JUDGE SEBRING: It will not be submitted at all?
DR MERKEL: It is not being submitted at all for the simple reason that it is an affidavit of the very same Bl***enreuter and it bears the same contents which I have already read and I think I can well dispense with the reading of this affidavit.
THE PRESIDENT: Then Exhibit 16 - I mean Document No. 16 is your Exhibit No. 14. Is that correct?
DR. MERKEL: Yes, that is correct, Your Honor. I only ask you to permit me, Your Honor, to submit perhaps two or three affidavits which deal with the same subject as we have not yet been able to obtain. Perhaps two or three short statements which I would like to be able to offer subsequently.
THE PRESIDENT: These affidavits may be offered when they are ready to be presented and they will then be considered by the Tribunal.
DR. MERKEL: And this concludes the submission of evidence in the case of the defendant Dr. Karl Genzken.
THE PRESIDENT: Is there any rebuttal by the prosecution?
MR. HARDY: The prosecution has no rebuttal in this case at this time Your Honor.
MR. PRESIDENT: The Tribunal will open the next case - the case of the defendant Gebhardt.