SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Sievers took a whole day off to watch some of the interesting standard experiments and may have given you a brief report. I believe, highly esteemed Reichsfuehrer, that you would be extraordinarily interested in those experiments. Is it not possible that on the occasion of a trip to southern Germany you have some of the experiments demonstrated to you? If the results so obtained by the experiments are confirmed by further experimentation, entirely new data will be secured for science; simultaneously entirely new aspects will be opened to the Luftwaffe.
I hope that, thanks to the intended efforts of SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Sievers, the Luftwaffe will make no difficulties from now on. I am very much indebted to Obersturmbannfuehrer Sievers as he has shown a very active interest in my work in every respect.
I thank you respectfully, highly esteemed Reichsfuehrer, for the generous realization of my proposition to conduct such experiments in the concentration camp.
With my best wishes for your personal well-being, I am Gratefully yours, (signed) S. Rascher" Attached to this letter and part of the same Exhibit is the Interim Report mentioned in the letter.
"1. The object is to solve the problem of whether the theoretically established norms pertaining to the length of life of human beings breathing air with only a small proportion of oxygen and subjected to low pressure correspond with the results obtained by practical experiments. It has been asserted that a parachutist, who jumps from a height of 12 km would suffer very severe injuries, -- probably even die --, on account of the lack of oxygen. Practical experiments on this subject have always been discontinued after a maximum of 53 seconds, since very severe bends occurred.
2. Experiments testing the length of life of a human being above the normal breathing limits (4, 5, 6 km) have not been conducted at all, since it has been a foregone conclusion that the human experimental subject would suffer death.
The experiments conducted by myself and Dr. Romberg proved the following:
Experiments on parachute jumps proved that the lack of oxygen and the low atmospheric pressure at 12 or 13 km altitude did not cause death. Altogether 15 extreme experiments were carried out in which none of the VP died."...
VP means test persons, your Honor.
"Very severe bends together with unconsciousness occurred, but completely normal functions of the senses returned when a height of 7 km was reached on descent. Electrocardiograms registering during the experiments did show certain irregularities, but by the time the experiments were over the curves had returned to normal and they did not indicate any abnormal changes during the following day The extent to which deterioration of the organism may occur due to continuously repeated experiments can only be established at the end of the series of experiments. The extreme, fatal experiments will be carried out on specially selected VPs, otherwise it would not be possible to exercise the rigid control so extraordinarily important for practical purposes."...
I would like to say parenthetically, your Honors, that it is quite obvious in that little sentence that even in this type of experiment we have to have a so-called control group - the people who were going to be killed, the people upon whom the experiment was continued until he died. That was the very purpose of the experiment in those cases - to determine just what it took to kill these people. Only in that way does he state can he exercise the rigid control so necessary.
I continue to read:
"The VPs were brought to a height of 8 km under oxygen and had to make 5 kneebends with and without oxygen. After a certain lapse of time, moderate to severe bends occurred and the VPs became unconscious. However, after a certain period of accustoming themselves to the height of 8 km, all the VPs recuperated and regained their consciousness and the normal functions of their senses.
Only continuous experiments at altitudes higher than 10.5 km resulted in death. These experiments showed that breathing stopped after about 30 minutes, while in 2 cases the electrocardiographically charted action of the heart continued for another 20 minutes.
The third experiment of this type took such an extraordinary course that I called an SS physician of the camp as witness, since I had worked on these experiments all by myself. It was a continuous experiment without oxygen at a height of 12 km conducted on a 37 year old Jew in good general condition. Breathing continued up to 30 minutes. After 4 minutes the VP began to perspire and to wiggle his head, after 5 minutes cramps occurred, between 6 and 10 minutes breathing increased in speed and the VP became unconscious, after 11 to 30 minutes breathing slowed down to three breaths per minute, finally stopping alto gether.
Severest cyanosis developed in between and foam appeared at the mouth."...
Cyanosis, if the Tribunal please, means that a very deep blue color of the lips set in, characteristic of pre-collapse.
"At five minute intervals electrocardiograms from 3 leads were written. * After breathing had stopped EKG was continuously written until the action of the heart had come to a complete standstill. About 1/2 hour after breathing had stopped, dissection was started."...
And now comes the autopsy report and I will remind the Tribunal of Exhibit 41, three pictures of which you recall showed an autopsy of a person, one of which where they had opened up the breast of the subject, and another where the skull had been opened and the brain exposed clean in the picture.
"When the cavity of the chest was opened the pericardium was filled tightly."
Pericardium is the tissue around the heart. Sort of a cellophane like tissue.
"Upon opening of the pericardium 80 ccm of clear yellowish liquid gushed forth. The moment the tamponade had stopped, the right auricle began to beat heavily, at first at the rate of 60 actions per minute, then progressively slower. 20 minutes after the pericardium had been opened, the right auricle was opened by puncturing it. For about 15 minutes a thin stream of blood spurted forth. Thereafter clogging of the puncture wound in the auricle by coagulation of the blood and renewed acceleration of the action of the right auricle occurred.
One hour after breathing had stopped, the spinal marrow was completely severed and the brain removed. Thereupon the action of the auricle stopped for 40 seconds. It then renewed its action coming to a complete standstill. 8 minutes later. A heavy subarchnoid edema was found in the brain. In the veins and arteries of the brain a considerable quantity of air was discovered. Furthermore the blood vessels in the heart and liver were enormously obstructed by embolism."...
Subarchnoid, if your Honors please, as I understand it is the tissue around the brain much as pericardium is the tissue around the heart. Embolism being an obstruction other than fluid blood.
"The anatomical preparations will be preserved so I'll be able to evaluate them later.
The last mentioned case is to my knowledge the first one of this type ever observed on man. The above described heart actions will gain particular scientific interest since they were written down with EKG to the very end.
The experiments will be continued and extended. Another interim report will follow after new results have been obtained.
(signed) Dr. Rascher"
THE PRESIDENT: Have you offered this interim report as a part of the Exhibit 49?
MR. McHANEY: That is correct, Your Honor. They both carry the same identification number, namely 1971-C-PS The next exhibit will be Document 1971-C-PS, which will be Prosecution Exhibit 50.
JUDGE SEBRING: Let me understand, Dr. McHaney. You said "D-PS" or "C-PS"?
MR. McHANEY: "C-PS, 1971c-PS. This is on a short piece of paper, Your Honor. You are probable looking ever at the next document. It is page 63 of the English document book. This is a letter dated 13 April 1942, again from the defendant Rudolf Brandt, to his "Dear Comrade Dr. Rascher":
"Your report of April 5, 1942 has been seen by the Reichsfuehrer-SS today. The tests on which SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Sievers gave a brief report interested him very much.
"For the further tests I wish you continuation of the success you have had so far.
"Best regards also to your wife.
"Heil Hilter /signed/ "Rudolf Brandt".The next exhibit is document 1971b-P3, and this will be Prosecution Exhibit 51.
THE PRESIDENT: Your Exhibit 50 reads "Yours, B. Brandt". Was that intended for "R. Brandt"?
MR. McHARDY: That, I am sure, is "R. Brandt", Your Honor.
JUDGE SEBRING: How does it appear?
MR. McHANEY: How can you tell, Sir? Do you have a copy of the German document book? That is Exhibit 50. As a matter of fact, I am not sure but that -- Well, this was ther reason that I suggested in the beginning that Your Honor perhaps have a look at his initials. The first initial looks very, very much like a "B". I would like to have this exhibit passed up to the Court so that you may see it.
The rank is noted as SS Sturmbannfuehrer", this being in 1942, and the defendant Brandt was not promoted to the rank of Standartenfuehrer until a later date. You will also note, Your Honor, that the letter comes from the Fuehrer Headquarters, and I have never heard of any Brandt other them our defendant Brandt in the Fuehrer's Headquarters.
I had just offered Document 1971b-PS as Prosecution Exhibit 51, which is letter from Heinrich Himmler to Dr. Rascher, commenting on the first interim report on the high altitude experiments. It is dated 13 April 1942 and states:
"Dear Dr. Rascher:
"I want to answer your letter with which you sent no your reports.
"Especially the latest discoveries made in your experiments have interested me. May I ask you now the following:
"1. This experiment is to be repeated on other men condemned to death.
"2. I would like Dr. Fahrenkamp to be taken into consultation on these experiments.
"3. Considering the long continued action of the heart, the experiments should be specifically exploited in such a manner as to determine whether these men could be recalled to life. Should such an experiment succeed, then, of course, the person condemned to death shall be pardoned to concentration camp for life.
"Please keep me further informed on the experiments.
"Kind regards and "Heil Hitler, "Yours "H. Himmler."
A copy going to the Chief of the Security Police and SD, and another copy to the SS Brigadefuehrer Gluecks. Gluecks was the Chief of Amt D, in the WVHA; that is to say, the Economic and Administrative Main Office of the SS, the chief of which was Pohl, and Your Honors will recall that I stated that Cswalo Pohl had jurisdiction over concentration camps from the first part of 1942 until the end of the war, hence, a copy of this letter being sent to the administrative headquarters of the concentration camps, or, rather, to his immediate subordinate, Gluecks.
You will note that here again the initials "BR" occur on the bottom of the letter. That is SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Rudolf Brandt.
Now, this letter is quite interesting. It is the first instance in which we hear about anyone being pardoned, as the, put it, to life-long concentration camp should they survive the experiments. In other words, certain of the defendants will try to convince the Court that they were taking experimental subjects who were condemned to death. They went up to them and explained to them that they were going to run these experiments off, that they involved some danger, that if they would come forward and volunteer, "Why, we are big sports. If you live through it, we will let you stay in a concentration camp the rest of your life."
Now, this is nearly a month and a half after the experiments start, and it is the first time that anyone says anything about pardoning anyone condemned to death if they survive these experiments, as you will be told by the defendants Weltz, Romberg, and Ruff. What need is there for the Reichsfuehrer now to write Dr. Rascher on 13 April -- a month and a half after the experiments had been going on -- and to state, "Oh, yes, don't forget to turn them loose"? This has been the first time that any amnesty or commutation has been mentioned.
The second point to bring forward is, How liberal a rule is the Reichsfuehrer setting up here? He is referring to the experiments which Rascher had described in his first interim report, where you had the long-continued heart action after the man was apparently dead, after they had dissected him and removed the liquid which was forming a pressure on the heart and on the brain. That is the experiment that Himmler refers to, and he says, "If you can recall any of these men to life, then you may let them have life-long concentration camp instead of death."
It is rather like the old story that we have heard in the law about the man who is sentenced to be hanged, and they take him out to the scaffold and say the last rites, and he drops through the trap door, and the rope breaks, and there has always been some talk, "Well, we shouldn't hang him again, and I think that is precisely what Himmler is suggesting here -- that if you kill these men but you can bring then back, then you do not have to kill then again.
But the rule was not even that liberal, Your Honors, and this is revealed by Document 1971d-PS, which will be Exhibit 52. This is dated 20 October 1942 and is a teletype from Rascher to the defendant Rudolf Brandt:
"Highly esteemed Obersturmbannfuehrer:
"Will you please clarify the following case with the Reichsfuehrer SS as soon as possible.
"In communication Reichsfuehrer SS of B-4-42 under S3 it is ordered that it prisoners in Dachau condemned to death live through experiments which have endangered their lives, they should be pardoned. As up to now only Poles and Russians were available, some of when had been condemned to death, it is not quite clear to me yet as to whether the above mentioned paragraph also applies to them, and whether they may be pardoned to concentration camp for life after having lived through several very severe experiments.
"Please answer to teletype via Adjutant's Office, Reichsfuehrer SS, Munich.
"Obedient Greetings, Heil Hitler, Yours, /signed/ S. Rascher."
How, this indicates to us the nationality of some of the experimental subjects which were being used, which is an important consideration, Your Honor, as between a crime against humanity and a war crime in the Indictment. We have here non-German nationals being experimented on.
I also want to call you attention to the fact that only some of these people had been condemned to death; in other words, they were not limiting their experiments on the subjects, all of whom had been condemned to death. Were he asks whether the amnesty rule applies to Poles and Russians. The answer comes in Document 1971-c-PS, which will be Prosecution Exhibit 53.
This is a teletype to SS Obersturmfuehrer Schnitzler in Munich:
"Please inform SS Untersturmfuehrer Dr.Rascher with regard to his teletype inquiry that the instruction given some time ago by the Reichsfuehrer SS concerning amnesty of test persons does not apply to Poles and Russians.
/signed/ Brandt, SS Obersturmbannfuchrer."
Now, Your Honor, at a later point we will come to the high altitude report, prepared by the defendants Ruff, Romberg, and the deceased Dr. Rascher, and I will call your attention to a statement in this report that the one died during the course of those experiments. Now we have already put in proof here which clearly indicated that they had a number of deaths.
The next document, which is 1581c-PS, which will be -- Pardon me; that is 1581-b-PS, which will be Prosecution Exhibit 54. It also indicates that they have had a sufficient number of deaths during the course of these experiments. It is a letter dated 13 April 1942, written to the defendant Rudolf Brandt.
"My husband asks you to get him the permission, if possible of the Reicksfuehrer to take immediate colored photos of his new preparations..."
and I give you the German word after "preparations" and in parenthesis the English meaning "of persons just dissected".
..." As a rule only black-white photographing is permitted in the camp. As he wants to evaluate the preparations later on, those photos would be very important for his work. May I ask you for a short early answer? This letter is forwarded by courier.
"With the best regards and many thanks I remain with Heil Hitler!Yours respectful Nini Rascher" There is a note on tho bottom:
"Did the letter with the report Cramer-Klett arrive?" The meaning of that note is not particularly clear. However, during the freezing experiments we will see tho name of Cramer mentioned and, as I recall, it will develop that Cramer is an army doctor attacked to the Institute at St. Johann which you will recall was an institute which was under the jurisdiction of the defendant Handloser in his capacity as Army Medical Inspector.
Document No. 1581 c PS, which will be prosecution Exhibit 55, is the telegram in answer to the request for permission to take colored photographs of the autopsies by Nini Rascher. It is from SS Brigadefuehrer Gluecks whom, you will recall, is head of the Amt in WVHA of the concentration camps. The telegram is to Gluecks from the defendant Rudolf Brandt.
"The Reichsfuchrer - SS has permitted SS 2nd Lieutenant Dr. Rascher, who conducts the experiments in Dachau, to also make colored photographs in connection with his experiments.
"Will you please take steps accordingly.
signed Brandt" Now, like the good and obedient scientist that he was, Dr. Rascher heeded the desires of the Reichsfuchrer in repeating these experiments in which the prolonged beating of the heart was observed after apparent death and we find his report on the continuation of these experiments in Document NO-218, which will be Prosecution Exhibit 56.
This is dated 16 April 1942:
"Highly esteemed Reichsfuhrer:
"May I thank you for your letter of 13 April. I have been delighted with the great interest which you, highly esteemed Reichsfuehrer, are taking in the experiments and their results. I thank you for the inspirations you have given me in your letter.
"The experiment described in the report of 4 April was repeated 4 times, each time with the same results. When Wagner, the last test person, had stepped breathing I let him come back to life by increasing pressure. Since Test Person W...." (who is Wagner) ... "was assigned for a terminal..." ("Terminal" meaning death-resulting in this case)... "experiment held no prospect for new results, and since I had not been in possession of your letter at that time, I subsequently started another experiment through which Test Person Wagner did not live. Also in this case the results obtained by electrocardiographic registration were extraordinary.
"In accordance with your orders, I tried to contact Dr. Fahren Kamp immediately upon receipt of your letter, however, I could not speak to him since he is layed up with angina. In a few days I shall ask again if Dr. Fahren Kamp is available.
"Meanwhile, at times together with Dr. Romberg I carried out falling experiments from heights of from 16 to 20 kilometers.
There, contrary to theoretical assumptions, it was proved that falling through space after jumping from an airplane in the stratosphere is quite possible, as after severe unconsciousness the Test Person regained complete consciousness in each case, at between 7 and 8 kilometers height when the parachute lover, installed in the chamber, was pulled.
"Within the next few days I shall report at length on these experiments as well as on the above mentioned Test Person Wagner.
"I also have a request to make: May I take pictures of the various dissection preparations in the dissecting room of the concentration camp to make a record of the strange formations of air embolism. In this connection, my wife has already written to SS Sturmbannfuehrer Dr. Brandt.
"Highly esteemed Reichsfuehrer, allow me to close by assuring you that your active interest in these experiments has a tremendous influence on one's working capacity and initiative.
"I am with devoted greetings and Heil Hitler Yours gratefully devoted (signed) Sigmund Rascher" Here again I want to stress the point that the Test Person Wagner was a man condemned to death; that he was subjected to an experiment endangering his life; that he was brought back to life, as Rascher puts it, and yet, having been assigned for a "terminal" experiment he was thereafter subjected to another experiment and killed.
This indicates quite conclusively that there was no understanding between the defendants Ruff, Romberg and Rascher and Heinrich Himmler and the concentration camp people that condemned men would be given amnesty and pardoned to life long imprisonment.
It is perfectly apparent that these men were simply assigned to these experiments and in they did not live through them, all right, and if they did and had been sentenced to death they still got their death.
As the Tribunal has seen from the name by Nini Rascher and by reference in one or two of the other exhibits, there apparently was a bit of friction between Weltz and Rascher-and apparently some difficulty about making sure that Rascher was permitted to stay in Dachau and continue these experiments. Document NO-318 deals with this subject and will be Prosecution No. Exhibit 57. It is dated 16 April 1942, to the Chief of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe and, as I have told Your Honors, the initials "LIn 14" indicate tho office in the Air Ministry which was tho Medical Office of the Luftwaffe. The Chief, of course, was Generaloberstabsarzt Professor Dr. Hippke, predecessor of Professor Schroeder. The letter concerns the prolongation of the command of Stabsarzt Rascher:
"The Stabsarzt Dr. Rascher was commended for special experiments, the execution of which together with the experimental establishment for Air Navigation was rendered possible by the Reich Fuehrer SS at Dachau, to the experimental establishment for Aviation, Branch Office Dachau from March 16th till April 16th, 1942. The results obtained till now require a continuation of the experiments, particularly as they cannot be completely terminated in the time provided as the procuring of a few technical applicances caused difficulties which can only be removed during next week. In the interest of the guarantee of a successful conclusion to the experiments, it is therefore requested, to order the continuation of the authorization provisionally for four more weeks till the termination of the experiments. Place of command: Establishment for experiments for Aviation, Branch Office Dachau.
"The special research carried out, or actually taking place at Schengau will be individually executed together with the experiments at Dachau by Stabsarzt Dr. Rascher as has been done so far." The signature is the initial "W" which undoubtedly, Your Honors, is Karl Wolff who, at that time, was SSObergruppenfuehrer and who was, at that time, Chief of the Personal Staff of the Reich Fuehrer SS.
Now, it appears that Rascher's orders detaching him to Dachau for carrying out these experiments were about to expire on 16 April. A number of experiments had been carried out up until that time. The defendant Rombert has admitted that he had observed deaths prior to this time and now we have this letter from a member of the staff of the Reich Fuehrer SS asking the Chief of the Medical Service of the Luftwaffe to extend his command. These deaths that the defendant Romberg had observed were reported to the defendant Ruff and, of course, it is quite clear that these men could very easily have been in touch with Oberstabsarzt Dr. Hippke and there is no doubt that these matters were reported to him and yet we find that the orders were continued and that the defendants Ruff and Romberg continued their collaboration after deaths were observed by them. That better opportunity could have been afforded men who had been seduced into an experiment without knowing what they were getting into, as defendants Ruff and Romberg will undoubtedly tell you? What better opportunity could have been afforded them and their compatriots in the Luftwaffe to have terminated these murderous experiments in Dachau in collaboration with Rascher at the expiration of the orders detaching him there in 1942? That is not what happened. The orders were extended and the defendants Ruff and Romberg continued their collaboration as we shall see.
Document No. NO-296, which will be Prosecution Exhibit 58, is the reply by Hippke to the letter I have just road from Wolff. It comes from the Office of the Chief of tho Medical Service of the Luftwaffe to the Reich Leader SS and Chief of the Personal Staff who, at that time, was called Wolff:
"I have received your recommendation concerning Stabsarzt (Reserve) Dr. Rascher. The recommendation was forwarded by me to the Air Gau Physician VII with the request to extend the Command.
Heil Hitler!
s/ HIPPKE" Document NO-219 will be Prosecution Exhibit 59.
This is a letter initiated by the defendant Rudolf Brandt directed to Dr. Rascher, dated 27 April 1942:
"Dear Comrade Dr. Rascher:
"The Reichsfuehrer has seen your letter of 16 April 1942. He has shown the same interest in this report as in the one you sent recently. He would like you to make up for him an overall report on the experiments carried out to date, which he would like to present personally to General Fieldmarshal Milch.
"Kind regards to your wife and yourself.
Heil Hitler Yours Rudolf Brandt."
If your Honors would care, you can again observe the initials of R.B. on this document and compare it to the previous one.
(The document was shown to the Tribunal).
The letter referred to in here by Rudolf Brandt which "the Reichsfuehrer has seen", as I recall, is the letter which I read, Your Honors, on the four extreme death cases which Rascher conducted after discovering this long continued heart action of a person who had apparently died.
THE PRESIDENT: At this time the Tribunal will take a recess for fifteen minutes.
(a recess was taken)
THE MARSHAL: The Military Tribunal is again in session.
MR. McHANEY: If the Tribunal please, at this time I would like to ask that the witness Wolfgang Lutz be called to the stand to testify.
WOLFGANG LUTZ, a witness, took the stand.
DR. ROBERT SERVATIUS (Counsel for defendant Karl Brandt): Mr. President, we were to be told 24 hours in advance if a witness was to be called to the stand, but we were not told. We are not in a position to cross-examine this witness; at least, we have not had an opportunity to talk to our clients. Considering the great extent of the material, an announcement is absolutely essential. Therefore, I object to the examination of the witness at this time.
THE PRESIDENT: We will now hear from the prosecution.
MR. McHANEY: May it please the Tribunal, we filed yesterday morning, as I recall, a notice that we would call Wolfgang Lutz to testify with respect to the high altitude experiments conducted at Dachau, as the rules of the court so provide. I received a return of service from the Secretary General of the Tribunal. Now I cannot say that this notice was in fact delivered to the Defendants' Information Center; that I do not know. If it has not been done and Your Honors feel that the cause of justice requires, we can, without considerable inconvenience, postpone the testimony of this witness until either later this afternoon or tomorrow morning. I do not wish to take any unfair advantage of the defense.
The testimony, I might add, which this witness is expected to give, deals with a rather important point, but at the same time a quite limited one, and it affects primarily the defendant Weltz.
THE PRESIDENT I would ask the representative of the Office of the Secretary General in the notice served, with return of service, may be produced here.
I would ask counsel for the defendant Weltz if he has received a copy of this notice that the witness would be called.
DR. WILLE (Counsel for defendant Weltz): I did not receive any announcement, and, if I may, I should like to support the suggestion of my colleague, Dr. Servatius, that the examination of the witness be postponed until tomorrow.
THE PRESIDENT: We are awaiting a report from the Office of the Secretary General as to what happened with this notice. Rather than further delay the proceedings, the Tribunal will rule that the witness may not be placed upon the stand at this time. It should be seen to today that the defendants receive a copy of this notice that the witness will be called tomorrow morning at some time which you may specify. At what time tomorrow will you desire to place the witness upon the stand?
MR. McHANEY: Well, it might depend a little bit upon what stage of the case we adjourn at this afternoon. Offhand, I see no reason why we could not bring him to the stand the first thing tomorrow morning.
THE PRESIDENT: I assume that will be satisfactory to everybody, if the defendants get their notice.
MR. McHANEY: I assume they are now on notice.
THE PRESIDENT: I don't know whether the notice should give something of the facts as to which the witness will testify. That is the only point.
MR. McHANEY: If Your Honor please, on the point about the facts as to which he will testify, I take it that the prosecution is not required to do more than to indicate the general subject about which he will testify.
THE PRESIDENT: The witness is testifying as an expert or witness to the facts, and I think some slight indication of what facts is the rule.
We will proceed now with the introduction of the documents, and the witness will be called some time tomorrow morning.
The defendants are on notice that he will be called during the morning.
Counsel for the prosecution might now state whether this witness will be called as an expert witness or as a witness to the facts, and if so, a brief statement as to what portion of the facts.
MR. McHANEY: If Your Honor please, the witness Lutz is being called to testify with respect to the facts only. He was, according to our information, an associate of Dr. Weltz in his institute at Munich during the period with which we are here concerned, namely, during 1941 and 1942. I will ask him questions concerning Dr. Weltz's relationship to the high altitude experiments conducted at Dachau during 1942.
THE PRESIDENT: Defense counsel will take notice of the statement of the prosecution.
The witness will be excused at this time.
(The witness Wolfgang Lutz retired).
MR. MCHANEY: We had come to Document No. 264, which will be Prosecution 60, which appears on Page 73 in the English document book.
And it is another memoranda dictated by Mrs. Rascher to an official in the SS. It is headed as a "File note for SS- Obersturmfuehrer SCHNITZLER."
(Reading) "MRS RASCHER was here today in the office and stated the following to me for you in a few words.
Oberstabsarzt Dr. WELZ still insists on participation in the experiments and full responsibility. If not, the assignment of Dr. RASCHER to the Institute Welz must be changed. Welz personally is not interested in these experiments. RLM asks Oberstabsarzt Dr. Welz, how long the experiments will last and whether it is justifiable to detail a medical officer for so long a time, RLM demands from WELZ an opinion on the experiments which he, however, cannot give, unless he is fully informed about them. W. Will be in Berlin with Generaloberstabsarzt HIPPKE on Friday. WELZ demands a statement by Friday as to whether he should consider himself as still participating in the experiments, or whether it is requested that he should not participate in the experiments.
The assignment of Dr. RASCHER must immediately be changed to "Assignment to Aviation Test Institute Berlin-Adlershof, Aussenstelle Dachau" (not Institute WELZ), because Welz - as he stated - intends to cancel the assignment immediately, if he is not to participate in it."
MR. MCHANEY: And then there is a note:
(Reading) "For personal confidential information:
Dr. WELZ confidentially informed Dr. Rascher that there is great mistrust against him in the RLM because of the experiments: (SS-membership) there is also animosity in the air force administrative command (Luftgau) Munich for this reason."
MR MCHANEY: It is dated: "Munich, 28 April 1942" and its origin is Munich. This memorandum undoubtedly went to the personal staff of the Reichsfuehrer of the SS and there is a report by Mrs. Rascher on the perhaps strange relationship existing between Dr. WELZ who is not permitted by Romberg and Rascher to participate to the extent which he would like in these experiments at Dachau. And we see here that Welz apparently had the power with Generaloberstabsarzt (Dr. Hippke) to say whether or not the experiments should be continued.
In other words, here, again we find, an opportunity given to terminate these murderous experiments, and, yet, they continue throughout the month of June and a part of July.
The next document is No. 220a and 220b and these will be Prosecution Exhibit 61. (Reading) "File note for SS-Obersturmfuehrer SCHNITZLER". That will be Prosecution Exhibit No. 61.
Your Honors might be interested in looking at the cover letter, which I am about to read: I call attention to the heavy pencil on the face of the document. You will see on the face of the document the initials of Heinrich Himmler, written apparently in crayon or heavy pencil on the face of the document.
MR. MCHANEY: (addressing the Secretary) Will you pass that up, (handing gentleman document) for just a moment, Mr. Travis?
MR. MCHANEY: (continuing) The first part of this exhibit is a cover letter to the further report on the Dachau experiments, to cover the letters of 11 May 1942. It is from SIGMUND RASCHER, to his "Highly esteemed Reichsfuhrer:"
(Reading) "Enclosed I am forwarding a short summary on the principal experiments conducted up to date. A detailed report on the practical as well as the theoretical results will take some more time. I shall hurry. Since the material has to be processed the exploitation of the pathological preparations will take about 1/2 year thru the Kauser Wilhelm Institute for Brain Research".
MR. MCHANEY: No! That should read:
(Reading) "-though the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Brain Research will help us, I hope."
"Tonight I succeeded in seeing Dr. Fehrenkamp Who has relatively recovered. He appeared to be very interested and I think there will be a fine and fruitful cooperation. Dr. Fehrenkamp who has an enormous knowledge most amiably promised to help me in everything. His opinion on my heart experiments he will give to you himself. From our conversation I have had the impression that a great field of work will open up to me yet. I thank you, highly esteemed Reichsfuhrer, for having opened these opportunities to me to such an extent.